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Posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 16:18:31
i have a feeling that a doctor/patient relationship shouldnt be like this, but i feel like i'm preparing to go to war with my pdoc and gp. ive been researching and hunting up things of interest that might help me. i have a feeling im going to interrogate both of them on subtypes, and different meds. i wish i could switch them both, but theres too many politics involved.
Posted by ChrisK on November 13, 2001, at 17:03:27
In reply to Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 16:18:31
You're right that a doctor/patient relationship shouldn't be a war. If you've done your research and want to try something that interests you then you should be able to under the proper supervision. My pdoc always respected me when I brought in my research. It became a running joke that I would walk in every month with papers in hand discussing something I read here or a piece of research he had never seen. It was that openness to my own ideas that got me where I am today. he didn't feel threatened and if something was really not a good idea he would talk me out of it in a logical manner.
If you want to try something then just bring along the evidence you've found in your research. My pdoc now uses Mirapex with several patients because I asked for and responded to it. You should just be able to bring the papers and discuss your desires openly.
Chris
> i have a feeling that a doctor/patient relationship shouldnt be like this, but i feel like i'm preparing to go to war with my pdoc and gp. ive been researching and hunting up things of interest that might help me. i have a feeling im going to interrogate both of them on subtypes, and different meds. i wish i could switch them both, but theres too many politics involved.
Posted by JohnX2 on November 13, 2001, at 17:59:55
In reply to Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 16:18:31
Sorry, but I am the self-proclaimed master
at this.I hated my 1st pdoc. Felt after a while he was
incompetent and arrogant at not acknowledging his inability
to treat me and to act professionally and refer me
to someone else.Anyways, I am into twisted psychological games and
he was big into therapy, so since I got off work
to go to therapy I had a "little fun". I was really
good at having him say (a) continue down a line of
logic to (B)..(c)...(d).. and then have him come to
a conclusion that is ~(a) (reverse of a),
a contradiction to his initial promise. really messed
with his head. I was wasting my time, yeah, however it was
sadistic pleasure and payback for my maltreatment.
The last time we talked he said "no one in my lifetime
has ever made me feel more worthless and ineffectual".
This guy was a total wuss. Sorry if I sound so bitter
and twisted but I laugh about it now.My relationship with other doctors is much better. I am
careful not to divulge too much when I 1st meet them or
they will label me neurotic, but if they are smart and open
minded, then they usually enjoy my appts as a change of
pace from their usual patients.Have fun,
john> i have a feeling that a doctor/patient relationship shouldnt be like this, but i feel like i'm preparing to go to war with my pdoc and gp. ive been researching and hunting up things of interest that might help me. i have a feeling im going to interrogate both of them on subtypes, and different meds. i wish i could switch them both, but theres too many politics involved.
Posted by susan C on November 13, 2001, at 18:17:01
In reply to Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 16:18:31
Then there is the war with the insurance company to agree to make Ambien a maintenance med
...Hi katey,
I know what you mean. I appreciated Johnx2's comments. I wish I could do what he describes sometimes. I usually ask a question, like, you asked me to do that before, why are you asking me to do it again, then, with the answer of 'i just want you to' I shake my head and leave and go got another doctor. If I have tried, many times, and don't feel the doctor is listening, I leave. My second pdoc helped a friend of mine. I have, now, over the year, talked to him when, he has been too busy and doesn't remember what happened and two, over the phone, irritable because he has a cold and unwilling to send me a copy of blood test...he did give me results...but then, he does do all of his own 'office work' oh, and one time the fax machine was broken in his shared office.
He ALWAYS returns my calls within the day, has an emergency choice on the message and has a great sense of humor.
I am, btw, still trying to figure out how to change the GP I am seeing. Once again, the criteria for me is 'do I feel s/he listene to me' which is hard to do, cause, especially when, i am depressed or manic...not thinking clearly, which i think was part of depression and then changed in a way with depakote.
I think I might pick the youngest one.
I hope that makes sense to you.
mouse balancing a pill on her nose
susan C
Posted by Greg on November 13, 2001, at 18:19:50
In reply to Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 16:18:31
> i have a feeling that a doctor/patient relationship shouldnt be like this, but i feel like i'm preparing to go to war with my pdoc and gp. ive been researching and hunting up things of interest that might help me. i have a feeling im going to interrogate both of them on subtypes, and different meds. i wish i could switch them both, but theres too many politics involved.
Katey,
Unfortunetly there will always be doctors who will take offense when you make any suggestions as to your treatment. I refer to these docs as having the God Syndrome. I hope your docs don't fall into this catagory.
I am very lucky to have both a family doc and a psych who are very open to my ideas and my research. I in return am very receptive to any concerns they may have about them. Having a two-way street makes for a very workable relationship.
I wish you all the luck with you docs!
Greg
Posted by Pamela Lynn on November 13, 2001, at 18:53:26
In reply to Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 16:18:31
Katey,
Hmmmm....what a tough situation huh? I understand what you mean (I think..lol) about the politics of it all; but...YOU are the boss of your own body, remember that. If you have questions..ask them, if you did research...tell them, show them the research. I understand about the 'God Syndrome'...but if done in a non-defensive way, your doctors might actually listen to you and comply!! If not...you need to get new doctors...Meds. for depression and anxiety are no meds. to mess around with..and, again..YOU know your body better then anyone else.Take care Katey...good luck.
P.L.
> i have a feeling that a doctor/patient relationship shouldnt be like this, but i feel like i'm preparing to go to war with my pdoc and gp. ive been researching and hunting up things of interest that might help me. i have a feeling im going to interrogate both of them on subtypes, and different meds. i wish i could switch them both, but theres too many politics involved.
Posted by sar on November 13, 2001, at 20:07:24
In reply to Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 16:18:31
dear Katey,
i think you are wise to recognize the politics involved.
myself, i investigate meds and go to pdocs with suggestions...they don't always give me what i want, and i don't always take what they want to give me, but *discussion* and *knowledge* is so practical! for example, i explained to my pdocs that i could not go on depakote because of eating-disorder issues (it can cause alot of weight gain)...i encourage you to do your research and discuss thoroughly w/ yr docs.
i think i remember you from a previous post...did you say that you are 16 years old? i would imagine that as a younger patient it would be difficult to weild your knowledge against The Man.
i feel as if i've been lucky--i describe my symptoms completely honestly, and they give me an appropriate drug. out of the 6 (?) i've tried, only one was a bomb.best of luck to you, sweetheart, and if you have an understanding parent who understands your problems and supports you, take him/her with you (if i am correct in remembering you as a teenager).
Posted by Katey on November 13, 2001, at 21:47:19
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs, posted by sar on November 13, 2001, at 20:07:24
i am in fact 16. i prefer not to take my parents with me however because i can not honestly express my symptoms with them around. part of the politics of changing my gp is that my entire family goes to him, and my mother's best friend is his wife. as far as my pdoc goes im in consulation and hes suposed to be referring me to an actual therapist soonish. except that i dont think he knows my case...he left a message on the machine to cancel our appointment thinking that i didnt live here but in the dorms. the same man who not five days earlier had given me a form to take home and have signed by my parents because i'm a minor. i am planning to take in something written this time...questions i have and meds i'd like to know more about. i'm going to attempt to adamantly refuse SSRI's for the umpteenth time. good luck to me. when i get home tomorrow i'll tell you which SSRI i'm on now.
Posted by sjb on November 14, 2001, at 13:48:33
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs, posted by sar on November 13, 2001, at 20:07:24
Sar,
What are you taking? I, too have eating problems and do not NEED appetite enhancers.
Thanks.
Sjb
Posted by Katey on November 14, 2001, at 22:10:11
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs, posted by sjb on November 14, 2001, at 13:48:33
Well Glory Be, for the as long as my pills last i'll be on 40mg of prozac a day. my gp pretty much officially gave up on me today and told me to go to a pyschiatrist. ive still got my psychologist appt tomorrow, so i'm pulling for three doctors in three days. dear god and they wonder what made me insane. the nurse looked suprised when she weighed me and said i'd lost 9 pounds like that was a lot. but anyways he brushed off my welbutrin suggestion and maybe i'll bring it up with the psychiatrist when i get in to see her. here goes nothing.
Posted by shelliR on November 16, 2001, at 19:33:13
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 14, 2001, at 22:10:11
> Well Glory Be, for the as long as my pills last i'll be on 40mg of prozac a day. my gp pretty much officially gave up on me today and told me to go to a pyschiatrist. ive still got my psychologist appt tomorrow, so i'm pulling for three doctors in three days. dear god and they wonder what made me insane. the nurse looked suprised when she weighed me and said i'd lost 9 pounds like that was a lot. but anyways he brushed off my welbutrin suggestion and maybe i'll bring it up with the psychiatrist when i get in to see her. here goes nothing.
Katie, did your strategy to go educated and armed with papers to your doctor(s), ask for further information re specific drugs, and reject
SSRIs work for you?Shelli
Posted by Katey on November 17, 2001, at 0:19:26
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs » Katey, posted by shelliR on November 16, 2001, at 19:33:13
yes and know. he finally referred me to a psychiatrist. he told me he wasnt going to renew my prozac and when i asked about welbutrin he told me it was just another ssri. kinda brushed me off. he 'gave up' on me- told me he didnt know what else to so he sent me to the pdoc. i was suposed to have a 2pm with the psychiatrist and a 3pm with my therapist, but the 2pm ran late so i had to call my therapist from the pdoc's office to reschedule our appointment. my therapist wasnt too happy with me.
Posted by shelliR on November 17, 2001, at 8:14:04
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 17, 2001, at 0:19:26
> . i was suposed to have a 2pm with the psychiatrist and a 3pm with my therapist, but the 2pm ran late so i had to call my therapist from the pdoc's office to reschedule our appointment. my therapist wasnt too happy with me.
I try to schedule my pdoc and therapist together also, so I won't have to use up another afternoon.
But I have learned from experience to leave at last 1/2 hour between finish of pdoc then therapist, because pdocs usually aren't on exact time. No extra time seems
to be needed between therapist THEN pdoc if
scheduling is done also in one day.do you talk to your friends about meds? I was just
curious if 16 year old friends are supportive when
it comes to depression?
shelli
Posted by Katey on November 17, 2001, at 8:56:15
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs » Katey, posted by shelliR on November 17, 2001, at 8:14:04
it depends on which friends. a lot of my friends should be on AD's but arent because of the stigma. some of them used to be on more meds than i am, but found self enlightenment and no longer need them. and some of them got the dose and med right the first time. i talk about it sometimes, like when ive got a prozac headache i whine a bit. but generally i keep it to myself unless i have a knowledgeable friend who might be able to advise me. is that helpful?
Posted by shelliR on November 17, 2001, at 10:36:46
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs, posted by Katey on November 17, 2001, at 8:56:15
> it depends on which friends. a lot of my friends should be on AD's but arent because of the stigma. some of them used to be on more meds than i am, but found self enlightenment and no longer need them. and some of them got the dose and med right the first time. i talk about it sometimes, like when ive got a prozac headache i whine a bit. but generally i keep it to myself unless i have a knowledgeable friend who might be able to advise me. is that helpful?
Yes, I'm glad thatyou have some friends you *can*
talk to about it and whine about it :-) . I am ancient now, but didn't
feel much depression until I was out of college. And then all my good friends knew because I went into the hospital and they came to visit me. But I didn't have a clue of what it felt to be 16 and taking meds for depression these days. It's obviously much more common than when I was in high school and and if any of my friends were depressed, I never knew about it. It sounds as if your experience of deciding who to tell and when to not talk about it are very much like mine as an adult.Hope your next trial of meds works for you.
Shelli
Posted by Katey on November 17, 2001, at 16:52:22
In reply to Re: Going To War with my docs » Katey, posted by shelliR on November 17, 2001, at 10:36:46
i think people are a lot more aware of depression now, and parents are a lot more paranoid (its really hard to get good grades when you cant keep your eyes open in pre cal, and no good grades means no good college) im actually excited about my new med combo, this is the first time theyve ever given me something thats suposed to give me energy.
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