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Muscle/fascia tone, depression and ADs, CamW, Sunn

Posted by dj on March 4, 2001, at 11:34:37

Some info. below on fascia and musculature relation awa the general reaction of same to illnesses... My questions for CamW, Sunnely and anyone else who may know is whether depression and/or ADs have specific impacts on this part of the body. Others have mentioned bodily tension when using some ADS (headaches, backaches, etc. - both of which I've experienced with and without ADS, so uncertain about cause and effect... posture is certainly an element but how is that impacted by depression and/or ADs?) and as I noted in a thread above, a former Psych.Doc of mine (who is now the head of Psych.-ed at a major Cdn. Med. school across the country)once indicated to me that depression has a slackening effect on muscularture (seemingly whether working out or not, as memory serves me - which it often does not...) and ADs have a tightening effect.

Insightful comments and/or on-line references??

"When we visualize the muscles of the human body, we often think of the structures as individual muscles, as shown on the picture on the left. However, fascia is a broad diffuse matrix that encapsulates each individual muscle as well as overlaying all the individual muscle structures of your body, as shown on the picture on the right. Hilton’s Law says that the nerve root that supplies a joint, supplies all the muscles that attach to that joint, and the overlying skin. Hilton further states that "every fascia of the body has a muscle attached to it, and that every fascia throughout the body must be considered as a muscle." Thus, when you have been chronically ill or injured, the muscles of your body often behave in two seemingly contradictory ways. Your muscles become soft and flaccid. They lose tone and mass. Yet at the same time, you feel as if almost every muscle in your body has contracted and tightened up making you stiff and sore. Why does this happen?

Keep in mind that fascia encapsulates each individual muscle, each muscle group, as well as the entire body. Fascia is usually a slippery substance, which allows your muscles to easily slide through and over each other, and allows muscles to lengthen and shorten within their "fascia casings." Fascia allows individual muscles to move freely without binding. That is; unless you have been chronically ill or injured. Fascia then becomes less resilient and slippery. And notwithstanding ageing alone, illness or injury only accelerates that contraction.

Nature has created quite an amazing mechanism for protecting its creatures when they have become injured or ill. When injured or ill, what does an animal in nature do? Where does it go? Does it go about its daily activities such as foraging for food or communing with others? Does it go to the doctor? Well no! It finds a dark, safe, quiet little place in which to lie down until it recovers or dies. It does this because nature knows that to prevent further and perhaps irreparable damage, the animal needs time to heal; to immobilize itself for a time before it resumes its normal activities.

We should do this as well, but we generally do not. Therefore, normal fascia contraction is a mechanism that helps to heal your body. It impedes excessive movement, which could exacerbate your condition or injury. Unfortunately, fascia contracts as a natural process of aging and further accelerates when you are chronically ill or injured. Even under ideal health conditions, fascia naturally begins its contractile process and begins losing resilience when you are in your late twenties to early thirties and continues to contract about every ten years thereafter. One reason why younger people with similar illness and injures usually heal faster than older people is partially due to the resilience of their fascia."

http://extensionyoga.com/Fascia.htm)

 

Re: Muscle/fascia tone, depression and ADs, CamW, Sunn

Posted by danf on March 5, 2001, at 7:13:53

In reply to Muscle/fascia tone, depression and ADs, CamW, Sunn, posted by dj on March 4, 2001, at 11:34:37

not quite sure what you are trying to get at.

some points of interest...

tight fascia does not cause pain. Fascia tightening with age, is not an active contraction, but a loss of suppleness.

look at small kids, they can bend & twist into pretzel like positions. This flexibility is partly due to bone structure & part to fascia suppleness. This however, has nothing to with speed of healing.

many meds affect muscle tone, but in a minor way, in general ( some psycotropic meds in a moderate way ). several diseae states affect muscle tone... brain injury, brain tumors, cerebral palsy, spinal cord injuries of some types, strokes, etc.

 

Re: Muscle/fascia tone, depression and ADs, CamW, Sunn

Posted by dj on March 5, 2001, at 9:00:47

In reply to Re: Muscle/fascia tone, depression and ADs, CamW, Sunn, posted by danf on March 5, 2001, at 7:13:53

> not quite sure what you are trying to get at.

That there may be a link between some ADs and reactions of bodily tension, as noted by one of the posters in an Effexor discussion above...it may be related to tightening of fascia in some sort of re-action or uneven loss of suppleness. Or perhaps it's a postural effect, not certain, just know that it's been an issue for me since I've used ADs...though not always when using ADs, though it could be an effect and/or aftereffect, perhaps heightening the distortion of the fascae, in combination with postural distortions...

I for instance have a lot of tightness, tension and atropy in the fascae in my neck, shoulder and lower back area. Partially this is from too much computer time and accompanying bad postural habits, as well as a prior shoulder injury and not enough exercise of these areas. Depression played a role in my lack of activity and neglect of such and posture at time. HOWEVER, my query and conern is whether ADs play any significant role in negative impact on fascae and muscle tone. Just as they can cause nausea, headaches, cause discombobulation, hair to fall out, etc. it is possible that they may have negative impacts on other bodily functions and I would like to know what is known about this, if anything.

> some points of interest...
>
> tight fascia does not cause pain. Fascia tightening with age, is not an active >contraction, but a loss of suppleness.

Depends where and how it tightens and whether there is scar tissue and how it recovers...

>
> look at small kids, they can bend & twist into pretzel like positions. This flexibility is partly due to bone structure & part to fascia suppleness. This however, has nothing to with >speed of healing.

Ahh but it does, because of better blood flow and quicker and more effective elimination of toxins in one's system...
>
> many meds affect muscle tone, but in a minor way, in general ( some psycotropic meds in a moderate way ). several diseae states affect muscle tone... brain injury, brain tumors, cerebral palsy, spinal cord injuries of some >types, strokes, etc.

And my question still remains a SPECIFIC question about what is known about any negative impact of ADs on muscle tone??? That's what I still await a comment from by someone who is knowledgable about any such links.

Sante!

dj

 

P.S.

Posted by dj on March 5, 2001, at 10:46:23

In reply to Re: Muscle/fascia tone, depression and ADs, CamW, Sunn, posted by dj on March 5, 2001, at 9:00:47

See Alice Fay's comments above in:
Muscle tension side effects, Cam, Sunnely??? thread...


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