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Posted by DC on April 11, 2000, at 19:11:46
In order to get a therapeutic response, how much EFA would I have to take and for how long? Also is there any evidence that this might help with social phobia?
In my own experience I have found the B-vitamins to be helpful, especially B-6, Niacinamide (not niacin!), and B-12 sublingual lozenges.
Posted by Chris A. on April 11, 2000, at 22:58:36
In reply to How much Essential Fatty Acid? , posted by DC on April 11, 2000, at 19:11:46
> In order to get a therapeutic response, how much EFA would I have to take and for how long? Also is there any evidence that this might help with social phobia?
In the Massachusetts General Study, (Sachs), - 6.2 grams of EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) plus 3.4 grams of DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) were used for four months with good mood stabilizing results in bipolar disorder. I am trying it now and have to take 24-25 of the salmon oil capsules that I have daily in order to get that high of a dose. My pDocs approve even though more clinical trials need to be completed.
Chris A.
P.S. I don't know about the social phobia
Posted by liz on April 12, 2000, at 10:10:01
In reply to Re: How much Essential Fatty Acid? , posted by Chris A. on April 11, 2000, at 22:58:36
Have you researched the use of Hemp Oil by any chance? My son is on a big crusade for use of hemp products and he has been pushing hemp oil as a dietary supplement. (I don't know about effect on bipolar or any other disorder). Supposedly, it is a more natural balance; has a more natural ratio of all the EFAs. This is the label breakdown from the cold pressed hemp oil that we are using:
1 Tablespoon contains:
Omega-3 (ALA)...21%(3g)
Omega-6(LA).....55%(8g)
Omega-9(OA).....13%(2g)
Steaic, Lauric, Palmitic....11%(1g)
Gamma Linoleic acid(GLA)....2%(280mg)It is quite palatable; we use it in salad dressings - you can't deep fry with it!
*There is a warning on the label that if you are subject to drug screen tests, use of the product my cause failure of the drug screen :-)
We were able to special order this product through a local health food store.
Just curious how this might compare with the other oils you're discussing...Liz
> In order to get a therapeutic response, how much EFA would I have to take and for how long? Also is there any evidence that this might help with social phobia?
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> In the Massachusetts General Study, (Sachs), - 6.2 grams of EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) plus 3.4 grams of DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) were used for four months with good mood stabilizing results in bipolar disorder. I am trying it now and have to take 24-25 of the salmon oil capsules that I have daily in order to get that high of a dose. My pDocs approve even though more clinical trials need to be completed.
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> Chris A.
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> P.S. I don't know about the social phobia
Posted by saint james on April 15, 2000, at 18:42:30
In reply to Re: How much Essential Fatty Acid? , posted by liz on April 12, 2000, at 10:10:01
> Have you researched the use of Hemp Oil by any chance?
James here....
If you are looking for it, it is actually hemp seed oil. It has the highest (no joke, but poor word choice) concentration of EFA.
james
Posted by liz on April 15, 2000, at 20:08:10
In reply to Re: How much Essential Fatty Acid? , posted by saint james on April 15, 2000, at 18:42:30
We do use cold pressed hemp seed oil; I was just wondering if it would be an acceptable trade-off for EFAs compared to some of these huge dose, unpalatable sources...? (Fish oil!!!Yuk!!!) I did not consider it part of any theraputic diet, except in terms of overall health, as promulgated by my son, the hemp product advocate! I did mention the caveat that when they process the hemp seeds, the seed coverings apparently transfer the substance which may cause one to fail a drug test!
saint james - I enjoy your input here! As one of those lurking newbies, I have really enjoyed the posts of you and so many others on this board!
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Have you researched the use of Hemp Oil by any chance?
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> James here....
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> If you are looking for it, it is actually hemp seed oil. It has the highest (no joke, but poor word choice) concentration of EFA.
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> james
Posted by Abby on April 17, 2000, at 8:43:55
In reply to Re: saint james, posted by liz on April 15, 2000, at 20:08:10
> I don't remember the post, but a few months ago there was an archive on this topic. We did not include hemp in the discussion, but I believe that fish is better than flax seed oil, because it is more active or something like that.
Abby
Posted by saint james on April 18, 2000, at 15:51:34
In reply to Re: hemp vs. fish, posted by Abby on April 17, 2000, at 8:43:55
> > I don't remember the post, but a few months ago there was an archive on this topic. We did not include hemp in the discussion, but I believe that fish is better than flax seed oil, because it is more active or something like that.
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> Abby
James here....Flax is not hemp, flax does not contain all the EFA's or has some in low contration. It also does not have a good shelf life. hemp has the higest contration of all of the EFA's. Fish oil(the fish) come from the dirty ocean.
james
Posted by Fred Potter on April 18, 2000, at 17:06:50
In reply to Re: hemp vs. fish, posted by saint james on April 18, 2000, at 15:51:34
> > > I don't remember the post, but a few months ago there was an archive on this topic. We did not include hemp in the discussion, but I believe that fish is better than flax seed oil, because it is more active or something like that.
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> > Abby
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> James here....
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> Flax is not hemp, flax does not contain all the EFA's or has some in low contration. It also does not have a good shelf life. hemp has the higest contration of all of the EFA's. Fish oil(the fish) come from the dirty ocean.
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> jamesNot dirty down here mate Fred (New Zealand)
Posted by CarolAnn on April 19, 2000, at 9:25:19
In reply to Re: hemp vs. fish, posted by saint james on April 18, 2000, at 15:51:34
Can you even *get* hemp or any derivatives of it here in the USA? I thought it was illegal even to grow it because of it's biological relation to Marijuana(even though, I don't think, hemp can get a person "high")?
This was something I saw in the news a few years ago. Has there been a change in the law? CarolAnn
Posted by boB on April 19, 2000, at 19:05:40
In reply to Re: hemp availability?, posted by CarolAnn on April 19, 2000, at 9:25:19
CarolAnn,
Hemp is marijuana. Both are cannibas sativa or cannibas indica. The primary difference is the word used, though the word hemp ususally implies the industrial use and marijuana implies the usually illegal medical use.
Hemp products are now widely available in the United States. Hemp fibers, in the form of string and rope, have always been around, but hemp clothing has become fashionable in the past 10 years, thanks in large part to a legalization movement. Most, if not all, hemp grown for fiber is grown overseas, especially in Seria and China, I think. Hemp seed is a typical ingrediant of bird seed mixtures, and hemp oil is available from some sources. The Kentucky Hemp Council (sic?) can probably hook you up with a legal source. Fertile hemp seeds are available through mail order from overseas distributors, but accepting a delivery is a risky matter, because in many jurisdictions, evidence of receipt of an order of hemp seeds can serve as probable cause for the issuance of a search warrant. Some district attorneys and district courts likely get away with prosecuting people for possession of seeds, but I have noticed state laboratories refusing to return positive test results for seeds. Some state laws specifically require tetrahydracannebinoid (THC) content for suspected "vegetative substance" to be illegal.
Hemp, if you are not up on the subject, was the primary fiber used in most sailing ships throughout the maritime era. Ships used tons of hemp fiber (canvas - derived from the word cannibas). The war of 1812 resulted when American ships ran British blockades to deliver Russiam hemp to the French. (check this out-I might have the alliances wrong, but the run-the-blockade part is history.)
Marijuana is a Spanish word, reputedly tagged on to reefer to assiciate it with undesireable racial elements. Racism, so the story goes, was used to prejudice people against the otherwise widespread use of cannibas. Hearst Newspapers reportedly owned vast tracts of timber lands and wanted to insure that wood fiber rather than papter fiber dominated the publishing industry. Hearst got most of the land for free, by the way. It came over to them in railroad right of way trades, and some of it had to do with land grant colleges. I am not working from source material, so don't quote me.
The practical difference in hemp grown for fiber and hemp grown as a medication, and hemp grown for seed is the way it is grown. For fiber, the seeds are planted in a very dense spread, so the stalks grow straight and tall. For oil seed, plants are more spread out, and allowed to pollinate, to trigger seed production. For medicine, the males plants are sacrificed and only female plants allowed to mature, hopefully beyond the reach of pollen. The resulting unpolinated flowers are what you are supposed to get when you go down to fifth and vine and throw down twenty bucks for a bag.
Hemp is truly one of the most important industrial plants of modern history. The war on drugs has resulted in intentional efforts to lie to children about the role of this plant in world history.
I suspect there is a vast knowldege of the history of hemp among readers of this site.
> Can you even *get* hemp or any derivatives of it here in the USA? I thought it was illegal even to grow it because of it's biological relation to Marijuana(even though, I don't think, hemp can get a person "high")?
> This was something I saw in the news a few years ago. Has there been a change in the law? CarolAnn
Posted by Janice on April 19, 2000, at 22:08:16
In reply to Re: hemp availability?, posted by boB on April 19, 2000, at 19:05:40
can you use it in salads like flax seed oil?
or must you swallow it like the fish oils?thanks, Janice
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