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Posted by Janice on February 7, 2000, at 22:06:26
the best I have felt (other than mania) has been during hangovers.
I no longer drink since I've started medications about 5 years ago. But before this time, I felt the best when I was hung over. As long as, of course, I wasn't nauseau or had a headache.
While hungover I had no anxiety, I felt calm, connected to people, stable and had a good sense of well being. Exactly what I've been trying to achieve with less luck with medications.
I used to drink probably 5 times a week, socially. I was young and having fun. I'd feel my alcohol after about 2 drinks due to my small size. I would rarely drink over 5 drinks a session, and I usually drank red wine. I would drink both as an upper and as a downer, to party and to relax. As I aged, I drank more to relax and less to party. My drinking always remained in a social context (probably due to sheer willpower).
ONce I started Paxil - which threw into a hypomanic state and then promptly stopped working - I completely lost my cravings for alcohol and have barely touched alcohol since then.
Any ideas about what happens neurochemically during a hangover, and how I could duplicate that feeling with medications? I have both manic depression and ADHD. I take lithium and Dexedrine.
Thanks in advance, Janice.
Posted by Janice on February 8, 2000, at 7:22:29
In reply to What happens Neurochemically during a Hangover, posted by Janice on February 7, 2000, at 22:06:26
Janice, that is wierd, but I know some people have paradoxical experiences. Like people who are sedated by stimulants, etc. I hope you get the info you are looking for.
PS--are you the originator of the 12 minute cleaning (with kitchen timer)? I have told this to a number of people and they all LOVE the idea. I have yet to try it myself. Don't know what my resistance is.
Posted by Noa on February 8, 2000, at 7:27:04
In reply to Re: What happens Neurochemically during a Hangover, posted by Janice on February 8, 2000, at 7:22:29
OOPS!!!! That post was from me, sorry.
Noa
Posted by carter on February 8, 2000, at 20:38:57
In reply to What happens Neurochemically during a Hangover, posted by Janice on February 7, 2000, at 22:06:26
Janice,
Luckily, I can no longer drink because of confounding medical conditions, but I must say that when it was okay for me to drink (during the last 3 years), the days following were very dreamy. I felt on top of things; I frequently had sufficient positive mood and energy upon waking up to hop out of bed and immediately start the day. Typically that atypically pleasant, calmed mood would last until 'the day after' had just faded to dusk, at which time I'd usually get a an early drowsiness and a little more depression than average. Perhaps we have problems with sleep latency? Oh, to wake up happy.. I'm hoping Serzone will help.
Good luck,
Carter> the best I have felt (other than mania) has been during hangovers.
>
> I no longer drink since I've started medications about 5 years ago. But before this time, I felt the best when I was hung over. As long as, of course, I wasn't nauseau or had a headache.
>
> While hungover I had no anxiety, I felt calm, connected to people, stable and had a good sense of well being. Exactly what I've been trying to achieve with less luck with medications.
>
> I used to drink probably 5 times a week, socially. I was young and having fun. I'd feel my alcohol after about 2 drinks due to my small size. I would rarely drink over 5 drinks a session, and I usually drank red wine. I would drink both as an upper and as a downer, to party and to relax. As I aged, I drank more to relax and less to party. My drinking always remained in a social context (probably due to sheer willpower).
>
> ONce I started Paxil - which threw into a hypomanic state and then promptly stopped working - I completely lost my cravings for alcohol and have barely touched alcohol since then.
>
> Any ideas about what happens neurochemically during a hangover, and how I could duplicate that feeling with medications? I have both manic depression and ADHD. I take lithium and Dexedrine.
>
> Thanks in advance, Janice.
Posted by Janice on February 8, 2000, at 20:44:51
In reply to Re: What happens Neurochemically during a Hangover, posted by Janice on February 8, 2000, at 7:22:29
hi Noa, that's me also...my anxiety goes away with stimulants.
>
Yes, I do the 12 minute cleaning plan. It really works. I am so clean and organized ... and spend significantly less time getting and staying that way.Maybe one day soon, you can connect a video camera to your computer and then aim it at your condo, and the people at psychobabble can coach you along.
I can hear it now, 'Pick it up Noa...no put the tv guide down Noa, pick up that dirty jacket and put it in the washing machine Noa'. Janice
Posted by Noa on February 9, 2000, at 2:15:51
In reply to Re: What happens Neurochemically during a Hangover, posted by Janice on February 8, 2000, at 20:44:51
LOL, Janice.
Posted by Janice on February 9, 2000, at 21:39:22
In reply to Re: What happens Neurochemically during a Hangover, posted by carter on February 8, 2000, at 20:38:57
Yes Carter, I too felt great hung over. It's good to know I'm not alone. I don't remember the depression coming back stronger after the hangover ended, but maybe I was drinking again by this time.If I ever had something important to do the next day, I'd make certain to have a hang over. Wonder what was happening up there? sleep latency? Janice.
Posted by michael on February 10, 2000, at 12:50:27
In reply to Re: What happens Neurochemically during a Hangover, posted by carter on February 8, 2000, at 20:38:57
> Janice,
>
> Luckily, I can no longer drink because of confounding medical conditions, but I must say that when it was okay for me to drink (during the last 3 years), the days following were very dreamy. I felt on top of things; I frequently had sufficient positive mood and energy upon waking up to hop out of bed and immediately start the day. Typically that atypically pleasant, calmed mood would last until 'the day after' had just faded to dusk, at which time I'd usually get a an early drowsiness and a little more depression than average. Perhaps we have problems with sleep latency? Oh, to wake up happy.. I'm hoping Serzone will help.
> Good luck,
> Carter
>
> > the best I have felt (other than mania) has been during hangovers.
> >
> > I no longer drink since I've started medications about 5 years ago. But before this time, I felt the best when I was hung over. As long as, of course, I wasn't nauseau or had a headache.
> >
> > While hungover I had no anxiety, I felt calm, connected to people, stable and had a good sense of well being. Exactly what I've been trying to achieve with less luck with medications.
> >
> > I used to drink probably 5 times a week, socially. I was young and having fun. I'd feel my alcohol after about 2 drinks due to my small size. I would rarely drink over 5 drinks a session, and I usually drank red wine. I would drink both as an upper and as a downer, to party and to relax. As I aged, I drank more to relax and less to party. My drinking always remained in a social context (probably due to sheer willpower).
> >
> > ONce I started Paxil - which threw into a hypomanic state and then promptly stopped working - I completely lost my cravings for alcohol and have barely touched alcohol since then.
> >
> > Any ideas about what happens neurochemically during a hangover, and how I could duplicate that feeling with medications? I have both manic depression and ADHD. I take lithium and Dexedrine.
> >
> > Thanks in advance, Janice.Janice & Carter:
Before reading your posts, I hadn't seen the cause & effect relationship... but now that I look back over the past month or so, I notice the same thing. I had been going out on Saturday night - late, and drinking, and expecting to be tired (or worse) the next day - hungover.But each of those Sundays I felt really good - better than usual, good sense of well being, relaxed, comfortable, positive mood, even energetic - "Anti-Hangover". Like you said, Janice, "Exactly what I've been trying to achieve with less luck with medications."
I kept thinking "finally, the meds are starting to kick in". But it never lasted past Sunday - always back to the usual.
If anyone has any ideas, explanations, or insights, (or guesses!) as to what's going on, I'd love to hear them. Seems so counter-intuitive. (daily meds are one thing - daily drinking... not so appealing!)
michael
Posted by PL on February 11, 2000, at 8:26:07
In reply to Anti-Hangover (re: what happens neurochemically..), posted by michael on February 10, 2000, at 12:50:27
I also have that relaxed feeling during a hangover. I believe that the normal reaction is to be shaky and jittery, so that someone wants some "hair of the dog" to feel better.
Somehow we feel the opposite. I also react very differently to stimulants than most. Currently I'm taking Ritalin SR 20mg day for ADD and find that it makes me feel very relaxed. It dosen't hit me like a ton of bricks, but I notice that I can talk to people without being self conscience and traffic doesn't bother me like before. I don't have all the unnecessary worries like I used to. And I have no problem sleeping, when I'm tired, rit or not.
I also take 200 mg. Wellbutrin 2x day and 20 mg. celexa a day. I never had the usual reaction to Well either. Never make me nervous or stimulated, like the side effect profile says.
Hope this brought you a little someting to think about.
Posted by Janice on February 11, 2000, at 19:04:43
In reply to Anti-Hangover (re: what happens neurochemically..), posted by michael on February 10, 2000, at 12:50:27
well, we're not as uncommon as I thought.
people like us would make great alcoholics...I mean what an incentive, that hangover!
I know nothing about science and biology and chemicals. I only know, all too well, the symptoms of all this activity.
The only thing i can think of is that when I drank, I would usually wake up very early...so maybe it is something to do with sleep deprivation.
I don't even know who to check with?
my doctor?
alcoholics anonymous?maybe one day,someone will be able to fill us in on this board.
thanks for your replies, Janice
Posted by michael on May 10, 2004, at 17:28:15
In reply to Anti-Hangover (re: what happens neurochemically..), posted by michael on February 10, 2000, at 12:50:27
Just wondering if anyone's read anything (since 2000)that might explain the topic of discussion in this thread?
Thanks for any info.
michael
> > Janice,
> >
> > Luckily, I can no longer drink because of confounding medical conditions, but I must say that when it was okay for me to drink (during the last 3 years), the days following were very dreamy. I felt on top of things; I frequently had sufficient positive mood and energy upon waking up to hop out of bed and immediately start the day. Typically that atypically pleasant, calmed mood would last until 'the day after' had just faded to dusk, at which time I'd usually get a an early drowsiness and a little more depression than average. Perhaps we have problems with sleep latency? Oh, to wake up happy.. I'm hoping Serzone will help.
> > Good luck,
> > Carter
> >
> > > the best I have felt (other than mania) has been during hangovers.
> > >
> > > I no longer drink since I've started medications about 5 years ago. But before this time, I felt the best when I was hung over. As long as, of course, I wasn't nauseau or had a headache.
> > >
> > > While hungover I had no anxiety, I felt calm, connected to people, stable and had a good sense of well being. Exactly what I've been trying to achieve with less luck with medications.
> > >
> > > I used to drink probably 5 times a week, socially. I was young and having fun. I'd feel my alcohol after about 2 drinks due to my small size. I would rarely drink over 5 drinks a session, and I usually drank red wine. I would drink both as an upper and as a downer, to party and to relax. As I aged, I drank more to relax and less to party. My drinking always remained in a social context (probably due to sheer willpower).
> > >
> > > ONce I started Paxil - which threw into a hypomanic state and then promptly stopped working - I completely lost my cravings for alcohol and have barely touched alcohol since then.
> > >
> > > Any ideas about what happens neurochemically during a hangover, and how I could duplicate that feeling with medications? I have both manic depression and ADHD. I take lithium and Dexedrine.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance, Janice.
>
> Janice & Carter:
> Before reading your posts, I hadn't seen the cause & effect relationship... but now that I look back over the past month or so, I notice the same thing. I had been going out on Saturday night - late, and drinking, and expecting to be tired (or worse) the next day - hungover.
>
> But each of those Sundays I felt really good - better than usual, good sense of well being, relaxed, comfortable, positive mood, even energetic - "Anti-Hangover". Like you said, Janice, "Exactly what I've been trying to achieve with less luck with medications."
>
> I kept thinking "finally, the meds are starting to kick in". But it never lasted past Sunday - always back to the usual.
>
> If anyone has any ideas, explanations, or insights, (or guesses!) as to what's going on, I'd love to hear them. Seems so counter-intuitive. (daily meds are one thing - daily drinking... not so appealing!)
> michael
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