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Posted by alexandra_k on December 29, 2014, at 22:12:55
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 29, 2014, at 22:12:12
oh, yeah. because we are talking about OUR kids (getting entry to medical school) / having futures that are secured.
sigh.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:24:09
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 29, 2014, at 22:12:55
I found a news clipping from The University of Queensland (Australia). About how the VC's daughter got offered a place into Med School even though there were around 300 applicants that scored more highly than her. About how once this was found out... Her father resigned... But about how they were going to let her keep her place because (quote) it 'wasn't her fault'.
I guess it is nice and clear about where the allegiance lies. Once you are accepted in to the wonderful magical circle then you are accepted in to the wonderful magical circle. Perhaps you stuff up mightily. Worst case you have to leave the country and set up shop someplace new. Like how US doctors who are barred from practice because of sexual abuse or negligence or maleficence or whatever get to go set up shop in Australia...
It isn't at all about how patients deserve better. About how some patients are going to get her (not the best) as their doctor.
Of course... The deal is that probably around 2x the number of people want to do it than there are places available. And that most of any of them would go on to be perfectly fine. So she most probably is fully competent. She could even me more competent than the majority of her cohort since most of the cohort is probably only around 18 / 19 / 20 and it is next to impossible to judge how students who do well in their first year at uni are going to turn out 5 or 10 years down the track compared to students who bloomed a bit later...
The ACER consortium gets a significant role in allocating UMAT scores. The scoring is all very hush-hush. I'd love to see some stats... I'd love to see UMAT percentile scores mapped against socio-economic class. Against race. Against the decile (poverty) rating of the last secondary school attended. I bet the test is HEAVILY biased. Which is (of course) precisely why they don't make such data available. The GRE is also heavily culturally biased. US students (from US secondary schools / US undergraduate universities) do better than international applicants. DESPITE this we are told over and over and over again that the test is a test of innate ability. I guess many people out there still do believe that some racial / cultural / socio-economic classes are intrinsically better / more intelligent / whatever than others.
How did Medicine manage to uniformly ignore most everything that has been learned about such tests in psychology?
I think the medical schools have a lot more discretion available to them than than they let on. They don't make cut off scores available either. But people will post their scores on websites and the like. Interesting to see how people who do badly on one aspect (but went to a private / high decile school) still seem to end up with offers of place... I must have got a definate 'no' from my Otago interview to not have been waitlisted. And yet I was informed I did really well at answering their questions... It doesn't make sense.
They should have base cut-offs. There should then be a randomised / lottery process for offers. It would be fairer than the current stacked lottery system.
But of course everyone who gots in under x system has preference for x system. In philosophy... Professors who went through hellish (hazing) rituals as part of graduate school / junior positions tend to want to keep the same process for future generations. US job market (aka: meat market) books out an expensive hotel in someplace expensive like NYC and expects those on the job market to go to conference. They used to have job hiring interviews in actual hotel rooms where faculty were sprawled out over beds and where committees asked inappropriate questions like whether the applicant was planning on having babies and whether they might be expected to want time out to do so over the next few years...
One can't opt out of everything, I suppose.
I feel sad.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:37:26
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:24:09
And people want professional careers because it offers some kind of immunity status. You can break the law in all kinds of ways but it's okay you'll be granted name suppression and probably just get a (manageable) fine. We don't send professional people to jail... I mean, just the odd one, so that it seems to the public that we in fact do send professional people to jail. Like how we like to make nice examples of people like Tiger Woods and Oprah and Obama to persuade the American public (and international community) that non-white people can make it in America too!
I feel... Sad... Still...
There has been critique in NZ, in particular... Some... Some limited... About how our traditional ways of selecting medical students has the significant majority of medical students seriously out of touch with the communities who are mostly likely to need them. The MPAS (Maaori and Pacific Island) quota system is supposed to help address that need. After the basic competency is achieved then there are a certain number (actually a fairly significant number) of places set aside for applicants who meet that competency. I don't know whether they fill all those places. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't... Because the base standard is high.
I'm not sure that race is the way for us to go... We are getting some assimilated Maaori and Pacific Island students through the private schools... With professional parents... I don't know that these students are any more likely to want to serve rural Maaori and Pacific Island communities than the non Maaori and Pacific Island students are. Sometimes the recently assimilated can be most racist. Believing that since they made it everyone can who 'tries'. Not wanting a bar of skeletons in the closet...
Country bonded is the obvious solution.
It is more about rich, powerful people wanting to ensure the same privaledge for their kids. That is the thing. Nepotism... That is what it is really about...
I feel sad.
WHy do people insist on having kids when there are so many kids who already exist who nobody wants?
I don't understand.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:42:51
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:37:26
It was an interview question this year, by the way. What (if anything) you would change about the selection process.
You have about 4 minutes to chat about that with the interview person. The rich, white, interview person.
You want to sound a bit more cerebral than miss universe. But, I suppose... Not too cerebral. They most probably don't want an abstract for a thesis. They probably want a minor tweaking to the status quo. They probably don't want a systematic attack on the ACER consortium (on who the f*ck they are such that we have given them such power over our medical intake). Suggesting everyone be required to get a medical certificate: nice. Suggesting we stop sending over AUS$200 per NZ applicant to the ACER consortium: not so nice.
fitting in to rich, white, Australia. mimicking the 'i've had a blessed and sheltered life'. expressing... mild regret that one might be out of touch with the needs of the majority of nz society. but... we can all express that regret. interviewers and interviewees on the same side: it isn't out fault.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:46:44
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:42:51
> Suggesting everyone be required to get a medical certificate: nice.
ahah of course i meant to say *first aid certificate* and should probably add *and be up to date on their immunisations or write 5,000 words on why they believe it is better for them and / or society for them not to be immunised*
Posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 19:18:08
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 18:42:51
> expressing... mild regret that one might be out of touch with the needs of the majority of nz society. but... we can all express that regret. interviewers and interviewees on the same side: it isn't out fault.
and that is what empathy means.
of course.
interpersonal skills aka: culture and values. not learnable. innate. according to ACER.
i have to sit the UMAT in order to apply to medicine. i don't see an option of writing a 5,000 word essay or a 10,000 word essay or a 50,000 word thesis on how such things as the UMAT contribute towards the failure / inadequacy of the medical system.
sucking it up...
i feel sad.
and dead. a little bit dead inside.
i didn't do GRE. didn't send them my money. decided it wasn't worth studying for it. the artificial test that it was. decided i didn't want to learn to think like a rich white american. there were a couple institutions in the top 50 that didn't require GRE...but i have to sit the UMAT now.
i feel... a lot dead inside, honestly.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 19:48:03
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 19:18:08
Sigh.
It's not so bad. I know it isn't. I do have some kind of faith...
I've lived with the masses and... I can't function in that kind of environment. I fought to get back to where I am because I didn't do so well back there...
I do have a hard time identifying with the young 'uns who have had their blessed lives, though. the structured exposures... but then... looking through the medical curriculum and seeing the structured exposures to things like... having a baby / handling infants. and so on... i feel grateful. that it isn't 'just get in there and drag yourself up / work it out somehow'. a lot of my childhood felt like that. i guess that is how come i tend towards bitterness / cynicism...
it is coming from fear.
we weight UMAT a lot less than Aussie places do. They sort of need something that is applied to all students. Becuase their med applicants are coming from a diverse range of universities. Some students went to a competitive one and earned A's... Some other students went to a smaller / more rural / less competitive one and earned A's... UMAT scores help distinguish between applicants.
NZ... Doesn't need it so much with our applicants having done the same first year... It is more about... Demonstration of committment, or something. Takes effort to get organised to pay the fee and get to the testing place etc. During the holidays, too. It means that the applications they receive are serious applications. One wouldn't organise that because one thought one would 'have a go'. Or in a moment of whimsy...
The interview... They don't want to hear a rant. Cynacism. Bitterness. Resentment. But if I can put that to one side I probably can say something pro-lottery. I mean... I got the idea from a research paper I read ffs and the main issue was that they thought it wouldn't have public acceptance. Because the public wants to think they have the best. Because (the missing part they haven't told the public) the public doesn't realise that there are around 2x as many people wanting to do it as people would would likely go on to be terrific. We have some arbitrary difference-makers to discriminate... But they reward wealth and heredity... Which makes it more likely our medical doctors will aspire to move to Australia for better pay and 'better' (according to section II assessed culture and values) working conditions.
4 minutes? Maybe I can do it... Perhaps. I think the idea is more to engage with the interviewer rather than ranting at them, anyway. Say a little... See how they respond. Let them coax me into saying things we both agree with. Empathy. Yeah.
I do worry that I can't trust my judgement... But I honestly think... That I honestly mostly can...
I felt... From my Otago interview... That if I erred... It was in the preppy / rich white Australian direction. I thought... They would be wanting that (mostly because of my mates applying to Aussie Medical schools). I got myself a preppy outfit and accessories (that I felt comfortable in - so it would have come across as natural)... Insofar as the interview people were dubious... It would have been because they felt me to be too much in the way of rich white Australian... Becuase I actually can pull it off really rather well (after however many years of working on my PhD)... I was initially suprised and then something clicked with the girl I met who was more... Well... Who was used to working with doctors in nursing homes and was dressed clearly more appropriately for that setting...
And at one point I said about how I had done some work with this street kid outreach thing with xxx and they knew xxx. And they looked rather shocked at that point. That they had me pegged wrong.
And they did.
Because I don't know how to convey that I know I'm comfortable with hospitals because of the amount of time I've spent there. How to convey that mentally ill people are mostly chillaxed with me. That I have good empathy with them... For things... Intuitive... When they want a cigarette... Of course I know it is different when you are in a different role.. Making people do this and that against their will... But generally speaking... The idea of graduated exposures to mental health wards seems funny to me... As would the graduated exposures to ob gyn to a person who was towards the eldest end of a 13 sibling family...
Or the little hyperactive glue sniffers. with severe behavioural dyscontrol. who can't keep their hands to themselves. the little kleptomaniacs... I'm not entirely comfortable... But I do better than most. And I have empathy... And I've seen how most of them can come to attach to a pet... And how the ones who can't... Well... And the gangs... The people in gangs... How most of them attach to pets too... And how some of them are much more honourable than professionals out there who are supposedly on the side of the patients...
Sigh.
I don't know how to convey all that. That blend. That contradiction that doesn't make sense to me half the time.
I choose to believe... I choose to hold onto the idea that they want people like me. That they want people like me to succeed. That it really just is about my science grades. And about me not losing my sh*t / undermining myself this year. Not completely flunking the UMAT (people with 30th percentile scores are being offered places from terrific GPA's). Not ranting during interview.
It will be okay.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2015, at 18:18:00
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on December 31, 2014, at 19:48:03
so...
if i don't get to do medicine... i think i'll do a double degree in law / science. the science part... i'll try and pick up psychology... forensic / neuropsychology... yeah.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2015, at 18:47:44
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2015, at 18:18:00
I remember being absolutely fascinated by the mind...
Perhaps it started out with the whole God thing... With a phase of not really believing - but really, really, really, really, really wanting to believe. With not saying I was a Christian... With not being saved... Because I didn't feel I could be in good conscience. Because I thought that people who were saved / were Christians (really properly in their hearts) didn't smoke and swear and so on. But I wasn't prepared to give those things up. But I couldn't deal with being a hypocrite... And I read the whole bible... And I really really really really really tried to believe... But I couldn't quite...
And then I did get saved. And stuff. And felt bad for being such a hypocrite / such a bad christian. And then the hypocracy I saw in the church with so very many people being really very bad christians in so very many ways (adultery and child abuse and alcohol and...)
And then I didn't want to believe... But I felt so very much guilt. And it was like I still believed with my heart even though I had rejected the whole idea of God with my head.
And I was really interested in that... In the relationship between emotion and belief and action and in how... F*ck*ng slow some of that can be to catch up to alterations in one of those...
Spiritual things used to freak me out, too. Ghosts. Haunted houses. The usual nonsense. Telepathy. Supernatural phenomenon. UFO's. The x-files... I didn't rationally believe, but I was emotionally terrified. And then I wasn't sure whether there might actual be rational reason to believe.
Then things a bit more 'real'. The idea of psychopaths / sociopaths who are only pleasant to the world but who do horrible things hidden away. About whether there could really be people like that. About whether x or y or z might actually be like that... About the idea of multiple personalities... And split brain people who grab this with one hand but push that with the other... All the... 'popular science' cool... Fascinating... Stuff... I was really taken by it... And I needed to sort it out to my own satisfaction.
What did I want? Probably a job that doesn't exist. Thank you TV. Some kind of a psychology person... Some kind of... Genuine knowledge / understanding of what was going on with the mind... Yeah. Yeah...
Something psychoanalytic... A deeper understanding of human psychology... The sort of deeper understanding / insight you see on TV sometimes... In a more psychologically complex novel...
I still do feel the force of that. But the job description... Doesn't really exist. Was the biggest myth of all... Only exists in TV and in novels... In the occasional journal article that people write to immortalise their clients in flattering ways (how much is that worth!!!) And I feel some kind of... Squeemishness... At... Some kind of... Well... Things are starting to blend back to belief in ghosts and UFO's... The unassailable authority ones parents had when one was, like, two years old.
I wonder how many kids out there want to be forensic pathologists or whatever whatever... Because of TV shows with made up jobs... Where people get to do the 'best' / 'funnest' parts of so very many other jobs... Doctor and lawyer and police detective and computer scientist and burglar and so on... Unemployed... With all the free time these people get... Sigh...
My ranting... Could be taken for good lawyering... For reals. I mean... It sounds like some kind of a joke... But it isn't. it is about mounting a case... An insurmountable case a number of reasons that compel the jury or the judge or whatever to agree... I'm good at staying however many steps ahead. At anticipating likely objections... And counter-objections... And counter-counter objections. I'm pretty quick to see that that line of reasoning will be aborted several moves down the track so better leave that line alone... This other line over here is much more promising and after 3 or 4 counters and counter-responses - I win!
And this whole idea of framing... Of framing being crucial. Of how there isn't any objective truth or fact of the matter for the things that are most important... And I do have some understanding of human psychology and the things that people find so very hard to tease apart... E.g., confusing liking with innocence and so on...
I, uh, would make a good lawyer. Yeah.
But I kind of feel... I wish I could employ those skills in advocating for my patients.
But probably the health system doesn't want that. Sigh.
It would be kinda fun to go after big tobacco etc... In theory, I mean. In practice... It would be reading and writing reading and writing so some actor can have their (scripted) day in court.
Yawn.
Parts of Boston Legal were pretty good. The show peaked around season three. One good season. Where Schore (and others) were, in fact, brilliant. Then... What happened? The writers change? The election got close and someone decided to use the show to rant political ideology. Over and over and over. No originality. No brilliance. It never recovered. Them winning cases that were implausible. Them not being able to distinguish the idea of brilliant lawyering from winning. How it isn't about winning or losing... How it is about how you play the game... What you do with the cards you have got...
I was amazed at how... Human things were here. When I had my day in court. Technically... The judge isn't allowed to consider anything that isn't brought before them by the lawyer. Because we don't have an inquisitorial legal system. So if you have a sh*t lawyer who doesn't raise things that are relevant then the judge isn't allowed to consider those things. In my case... The judge used her ability to put 2 and 2 together (which my lawyer lacked) and her summation of my case was... Well... The most charitable thing to say was that it was just a tad synthetic. Which was just as well since my lawyer couldn't manage to raise all of the relevant points that I clearly laid out / gifted to her in writing several weeks in advance of the actual court appearance. I mean... I got her to send me a copy of the Word file she was going to submit and all she really needed to do was 'accept changes' ffs...
Probably she had too many cases...
That is what needs to change... We need to get better at letting people work from home etc. We need to get better at letting people have less people on their workload. We need to get better at assessing the elusive *quality* of care...
Why do we put our faith in psychopathic economists??
Posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2015, at 19:28:57
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2015, at 18:47:44
oh, i'm going to learn about the health system this year. first semester, looks like a course in the economics of health care. second semester, some social psychology (the stuff i used to love...) the stuff i... still do. milgram experiment and so on. stuff on attachment. some of the best parts of psychology. not the simplistic CBT that they teach later... in the graduate school... some of the wonderful ideas...
the economics thing... disturbs me. how the qualitative needs to be made quantitative or it... isn't worth anything. how people in vanuatu (highest quality of life in the world with respect to self rated happiness, ease of access to high quality protein, nuts, fruits, stuff to make houses with beautiful views etc etc) get to be rated as 'most impoverished' since they don't have any money...
how people get shifted from the main waiting room in the ER 'who has been waiting for over 2 hours?' into smaller waiting rooms that aren't called waiting rooms so that whoever whoever gets to say they managed to 'cut waiting room times down'. how people get to redescribe signs / symptoms in order to cut epidemics or create epidemics or... how much work goes into little tricks like that... not verbal tricks, exactly. there seems to me to be something fundamentally morally corrupt...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2015, at 22:20:20
In reply to Re: wrecked the bar, posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2015, at 19:28:57
so... i got a phone call from a work and income office... they want me to come in for an appointment since i applied to study full time this year. i pointed out that i don't fall under their regional service coverage area anymore, since i moved into the city... so after some deliberation they want me to see someone from this service coverage area.
i pointed out that my disability doesn't come up for renewal until december... that disability means my obligation to look for work has been lifted... that one of the officers told me that when i asked whether i could study full time...
now they want me to talk to a manager. i guess they are worried about precedent. which, uh, would be understandable... i was expecting some bad news... but i was expecting it back in September when i checked in with them, not now... months later... not once summer school has started already...
anyway... it might just be starting to sink in for them that i might actually possibly get a place in medical school. uh, in which case, uh, i'll need a helping hand for the next 5 years or so... just until the final year stipend starts to kick in... second full-time year of hospital placement...
it is in the back of my mind to see about... reduced time / workload status. but later... down the track. i don't want to be raising it now.
because the biggest stigma there is about disability... both physical and mental... comes from WITHIN the medical profession. there are some cases of doctors with disabilities... what seems common to all is that they acquired their disabilities AFTER they got accepted in to medical school...
where law and engineering etc etc etc have TAS (targeted admissions) for disadvantaged groups the medical admissions people have decided to make everyone send over two hundred nz dollars to australia for the privaledge of learning to think like a rich, white, Australian.
anyway...
just after i decided to do physics for summer school... since having something on my daily schedule is crucial for keeping me doing productive stuff and rescuing me from the lures of computer gaming... they put up a 'simple calculus: how to do it' document. uh, if that is like ALL the calculus required for the course maybe i can pull another B-. If, uh, that is like ALL of the calculus required for the first week then I'm well and truly screwed.
Ah, maths. or aw maths. or something. :(
Posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2015, at 22:42:01
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2015, at 22:20:20
hmm... i guess it's a stocktake.
the people who wanted to see me... they were the regional office that put through my application for disability in the first place. i started out saying that i did in fact want to study full time. i enrolled in 2 summer school classes (more than full time) and i started out enrolled full time in Bio-Medical science degree, too...
then i cut back to part time... and i was scared that the student loans people would be upset... but that was cool...
so now the work and income people want to see me... so i guess i point out to them that nobody questioned my ability to study full time when they approved disability. i made it clear in my application that i intended to study full time. at the time of application i was working full time on my thesis, even... i was honest about that...
i took a year because of the whole 'general chemistry' thing... so... i think... if i do well... at medicine or law... it'll be okay. they might just be having a cow that i suck at physics :( just wanting to check that i don't intend on sticking with physics until i become a theoretical physicist or something... which i may have threatened at some point, hur... maybe they just feel like arguing with me since i did well in law... maybe they think i'm morally dubious now...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 5, 2015, at 2:42:12
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 4, 2015, at 22:42:01
oh, i know what it is. they helped me pay for accommodation and i said i'd pay them back. so now... they are calling me on it.
and i can pay them back... a little bit later. because i spent the money on textbooks, already. and on molecular model kits. i kept most of the receipts... they might be more impressed if i take the pile for demonstration...
when my textbook money comes through (2 weeks before classes start at the earliest) then it will be too late for the textbooks to be particularly useful. i mean... i've got good mileage out of them already and still another couple months to go...
but they can have their money back then. will still be 'early next year' (first third of it) like i said...
if i give the money back to them then, then i wonder if they will help me buy compression gear? i really need more of it...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 5, 2015, at 20:59:00
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 5, 2015, at 2:42:12
i didn't spend the money, i realise. it's still there, sitting in my rent account.
i did the right thing, physics for summer school. it will make more sense going through things a second time...
and i've met the lecturers for the course, and i like them well, enough.
and i much prefer to focus on just one class at a time...
and it gives me something to do.
i did a spin class today, and it was good. i might get into a routine of class and then gym class and then homework / working through problems. i feel like i have a much better grip of what we are supposed to be up to, now. following through worked examples so i can replicate them. getting the right answer out of a few homework problems. that's the idea. and just keep up with things as best i can...
i think... i'm going to have to stop posting, hey. i wonder how long it will take for me to vanish into the archives?
?
:(
Posted by alexandra_k on January 7, 2015, at 19:20:29
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 5, 2015, at 20:59:00
so things got hard, already. after only 2 days. he went a bit easier on us today... but test next week. summer school is only a few weeks long, really. we do mechanics in like, 6 lectures.
i really didn't follow the calculus stuff that went up before the class started... but in class he did geometric derivations of 5 mechanics equations. i found the geometric derivations much easier to follow. not that i'm confident in my following... but parts made sense, which is more than i could say for the calculus...
anyway... i sort of have a head-ache. get to the point where my head hurts and my brain feels full. went for a big walk yesterday then had trouble sleeping and woke up achy and cranky and tired. a few people looked tired... the heat is pretty bad, too.
apart from the icky humid heat... this time of year is the very best time of year. only graduate students and professors around... and students enrolled in summer school. and, as our lecturer pointed out, we are the smart motivated ones who would rather do summer school than go to the beach. and... we are. people are dispersing... i don't see any clumping. and everyone is smart... and very anxious about being stupid. he said something about how we are smart and we all looked really scared...
get something right and you feel like god, honestly. get something wrong and you feel dumber than a rock. over and over. i think everyone goes through the same thing. everyone is their own worst critic. it makes it hard, though. egos are so very fragile. including my own. anyway... onward ho...
i think i learned how to rearrange for time...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 8, 2015, at 17:21:53
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 7, 2015, at 19:20:29
i know why... it is because either you get it, or you don't. either it's obvious, or it's incomprehensible. when you get it you can't imagine how people can possibly miss it. and when you don't get it... and you see how it is so very f*ck*ng obvious to everyone else... you feel really rather stupid, indeed.
like when you grasp the cogito. in it's obviousness. and kant on how suicide can't be rationally willed.
though the obviousness (even the truth) of the latter two come and go...
and people have written rather a lot on how obviousness might not be truth tracking...
Posted by alexandra_k on January 16, 2015, at 23:33:33
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 8, 2015, at 17:21:53
I got a B+ for my physics test :)
of course, that was the easiest part of the course... but, still, i got a B+ for a physics test WOO HOO!!!
Posted by ClearSkies on January 17, 2015, at 11:15:49
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 16, 2015, at 23:33:33
Woo hoo indeed!
Posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2015, at 17:24:11
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by ClearSkies on January 17, 2015, at 11:15:49
thanks.
i think i'm starting to understand some of the basic math stuff that everything else is built on.
unit conversions... the idea of an inversely proportional relationship... as one increases by a factor the other decreases by one over the factor... which makes it smaller... a decimal... less than one... whereas dividing a number by 1 is just that same number...
and inverse square laws...
and area... and about how half base times height isn't specifically about (half base) times heigher... it is syntactically equivalent to (base times height) divided by 2 (same as times 1/2 or .5) just reading things...
2 pi r... looks odd, too... it isn't (2 times pi) times radius... it is more that it is 2 x the radius (because we really want the diameter) times pi (which is just the number you get when you divide circumference by diameter and hence the number you multiply diameter by in order to get the circumference).
anyway...
i'm also starting to see how having the equation is one thing... but the equations aren't 'in their most general form' (I think that is the problem). so... it is problematic to figure out which equation you need... because you need to know about the constraints or assumptions of the equation. for instance... it might take a mg value... or it might not... you might need to normalize mg by taking the... uh... sin of the angle and use that value in the mg place in the equation...
of course... if you really understand the relationship between the physical quantities... equations are.... easily remembered. or made up. or something. sigh.
i have learned so very much this year.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2015, at 17:36:32
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2015, at 17:24:11
and yet, strangely, the physics people give us a pull out page of equations (though often not in their most useful form...)
the chemistry people make you remember your equations, but they give you a periodic table (with mass values etc)...
Posted by ClearSkies on January 25, 2015, at 14:56:23
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 24, 2015, at 17:36:32
My mind is boggling just reading about it, and I get to relive my high school anxiety. I tried so hard in every subject, but struggled so much in math and chemistry. I loved physics, though, in every way. Biology was way cool.
But it was the kind of school where (I sensed) you were encouraged to excel as much as you could wherever you could.
So, fine art. Theatre. Music, dance. Keeper of memoirs. That's how I went through school.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2015, at 20:45:18
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by ClearSkies on January 25, 2015, at 14:56:23
ah.
drugs and alcohol and inappropriate relations with one of my teachers.
that's how i got through secondary school... and my first year at university, i guess.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2015, at 20:46:38
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2015, at 20:45:18
of course that strategy also got me into hospital... and nearly got me killed... a number of times... meh... ancient history.
Posted by ClearSkies on January 26, 2015, at 13:15:35
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by alexandra_k on January 25, 2015, at 20:46:38
May our ancient history ossify as it should.
Posted by alexandra_k on January 27, 2015, at 20:34:52
In reply to Re: uh oh?, posted by ClearSkies on January 26, 2015, at 13:15:35
tee hee I had to look 'ossify' up... i needed to be reminded of it's general meaning after learning about bony fishes...
i learned i came first in class for law! yay me! so happy! i mean... most of the serious law kids did it the semester before, but who knows, i might have kicked their *ss*s too... i guess we'll never know... unless i do some more law...
feeling happy about physics these days. i'm starting to get a general sense of... the physics curriculum that relies on algebra. starting to feel... comfortable with it. like it is reminders. i mean, not entirely... but parts of it. getting the sense of it being a finite amount of material that seems realistic...
how... in later years you would look back on it with fondness. at its ease and simplicity. like how i look back on (well written) first year philosophy of... well... anything, really. perhaps especially descartes... or religion... or mind...
getting little glimmers of how if i could differentiate i could figure out this and that... or whatever...
i remember a great philosopher... once said that what he aimed for in his talks was a 'rule of thirds'. the idea was that 1/3 of the talk should be comprehensible to a general educated audience. 2/3 of the talk should be comprehensible to philosophy grads / professors. and that last third... was for the specialists. people who worked in his area. philosophy of mind or... perhaps... a more specific aspect of the philosophy of mind.
i liked that.
i'm getting a sense of the physics lectures as being something like that.. where expecting me to master 1/3 is realistic. that middle third is work - but do-able. that last third... parts of it... i'd really need to give a bit more of a crap. to learn how to differentiate etc... and... i won't. so... i won't be getting any kind of an A... which seems completely fair, to me... but i hope to get a good B+... and come out with some good basic understanding of physics. yeah.
and chemical bonds are like springs, yeah. masses on strings... dammit. they bloody well would be haha. seriously, though, i'm liking it. yeah. it is... conceptually really f*ck*ng cool. and hard... but once you get it so freaking simple. rearranging equations is like... doing forwards and backwards flips... i still don't entirely have it... but i'm getting there. for reals. and the soh cah toa thing... i finally get that. i mean... i get why it is helpful. i didn't know what the hell it was supposed to be good for before... and square roots... i'm starting to feel a little happier about those...
we're doing waves now.. then we do maybe sound... but a bunch of stuff with prisms. i still don't get all the stuff with the eye so... looking forward to that... i f*ck*d up most of optics last time round but i don't understand why because i thought i was the boss of those damned drawings...
:(
i get a dyscalculia screening test tomorrow.
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