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Posted by Karen_kay on January 9, 2004, at 0:37:42
In reply to Re: Were his shoes brown? » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 8, 2004, at 21:20:24
Ah, I would never become angry at you! Never ever ever! I was merely joking of course. I was in a foul mood earlier, but I am feeling a little better. I took some anxiety meds and ate something so I feel a bit better :)
And I'm certain he noticed you cupping your head in your hands, they are paid to notice things like that. My therapist just pointed out to me that when he says something wrong and I thinh he's full of crap or it doesn't apply to me I look up to the left corner of the room. And it is so true! I'm glad he noticed! (Picture a horse turning its head away when you try to touch it's face and that's what I do when he gets my sister's name wrong, or calls my nephew a niece or says that I'm not at all like my mother)
The point I'm trying to make is that they know us better than maybe we think. Or maybe they don't? I don't know...
Have you ever told him you think he looks like Bean? I think I'm going to tell mine that I think he looks like Craig Kilborn. But, I don't want to boost his ego any. I'm feeling out of sorts with him and I don't want to do anything to make him feel good right now. I always wonder and ask my friends who would play me in my own made for TV movie.... Who do you think would play you? (I'm known for asking strange questions like this..Who's smarter a brain surgeon or rocket scientist...the list goes on and on.. I think I annoy my friends with these questions. I even asked my therapist once if I was a car, based solely on physical qualities, what kind of car would I be? I said a ford escort. He said that he doubted that and was frustrated that I found myself to be "cheap" (my words....)American Movie is a good documentary about "down-home" film makers trying to make a scary movie. It pretty funny. I just watched a pretty good drama that is based on a true story called "Rabbit Proof Fence" It's really good! It made me cry! You should look it up on www.imdb.com that's a good source to find out about films and actors, ect....
Talk to you later, gator....
Posted by Karen_kay on January 9, 2004, at 0:54:35
In reply to Re: Dinah *Gasp*, posted by Dinah on January 8, 2004, at 22:17:33
No, you're certainly not scary Miss Dinah. It's just that I tend to forget that others can read what I write. Then, I feel that maybe I wrote something "bad." I think I was just in a little girl stage and I almost felt like I'd been caught by mommy, not that you'd be a bad mommy! You'd be a lovely mommy. Will you be my mommy? Just me being silly.... I tend to be silly quite often :)
And again, I really think, looking back on things I'm projecting my own feelings onto him. He really isn't neutral, I am. During the session, I'm the one who is completely void of any emotion at all. That's what the problem is. And I'm really glad I figured it out! Dinah, you saved me again. Now, I need to staple this post to my forehead so I don't forget that the next time I complain that he's emotionless or unsupportive, though he could be better.
And I know they aren't supposed to beg us to stay. "Oh please don't go. I couldn't continue my practice without you, ect" but they could at least say that they feel that leaving right now wouldn't be in our best interest or something...Anything, any type of support to not give up would be comforting.
Good for you for tearing him a new one for that! It sounds like you don't let him get away with too much.I just think I was "having a moment" earlier. It seems to be happening more frequently. I'll make it, I'm sure.
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 9:56:31
In reply to Re: Dinah to the rescue! » Dinah, posted by Karen_kay on January 9, 2004, at 0:54:35
That wsan't what I ripped into him about, actually. It was about money. We had already been arguing about the timing of his telling me he was angry and saying I was annoying. I thought that given how well he knows me, the timing of how he did that was close to sadistic. He claimed ignorance.
Then one of the EMDR therapists wants him to be there at the first EMDR session, in case something went bad. I told her he probably wouldn't be interested, but I asked him anyway, and he said it would be fine as long as I paid him. Well, duh. I know he wouldn't show up without money. Then he tells me he'd also charge me for the travel time from his office to hers. Now her office is easily within five miles from our homes (we live within a few blocks from each other). There's no reason when we jointly scheduled the appointment, he couldn't do it at a time that was convenient for him. Moreover, he claims an auxiliary office about three blocks from her office.
I accepted it quietly at the time, but then called back later. Told him I paid him a ridiculous amount of money each year for close to nine years, his fee was higher than PhD psychologists in our area, one and a half times what he gets from his insurance clients (which he has told me make up the majority of his practice), he doesn't give me quantity discount, I have to drive to the inconvenient location where he moved his office and pay another $500 or $600 in parking fees which he doesn't validate. I told him that my employers wouldn't *dream* of trying to squeeze the last nickel under those circumstances, and would consider the travel time to be a small cost for maintaining goodwill. And that he didn't need to call back. Slam the phone.
But he did call back and apologize. He said he had been caught off guard and hadn't thought it through and that even before I called he had decided he wouldn't charge the travel time. So another anger short circuited by decent behavior by him.
I guess I do have a lot of pent up anger. :(
Posted by Penny on January 9, 2004, at 10:14:13
In reply to Re: Dinah the fire breathing self advocate, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 9:56:31
Dinah!!! I'm sooooo proud of you!!!!
I think he totally deserved that reaction from you! I mean, REALLY. Travel time? Maybe if it was an hour away or something, but in the same city? C'mon!!!
I'm glad he had already thought it over before you called, but he still deserved your anger over that one. I don't think it's very fair that he's charging you that much more than he receives from insurance patients - why does he not charge them the difference?
I dunno...And he doesn't validate your parking?? At the LEAST he should do that, IMO. Of course, I have nothing to do with that, so...
Yes. He totally deserved your anger. Well done. Don't you dare feel one bit of regret about that!!!
P
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 9, 2004, at 10:29:47
In reply to Re: Dinah the fire breathing self advocate, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 9:56:31
Dinah, you rock, girl!!!!
I hope to one day get to a point in my life where I don't feel bad sticking up for myself. People like you are an inspiration to me!
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 10:30:09
In reply to Re: Dinah the fire breathing self advocate » Dinah, posted by Penny on January 9, 2004, at 10:14:13
I agree completely. And it really makes me think less of him. I'm not looking forward to today's session.
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 10:30:50
In reply to Re: Dinah the fire breathing self advocate, posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 9, 2004, at 10:29:47
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 9, 2004, at 12:42:18
In reply to Re: Well, notice I did it on the phone. :) (nm) » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2004, at 10:30:50
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 9, 2004, at 17:34:33
In reply to Were his shoes brown? » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on January 8, 2004, at 17:40:34
> I'm studying telecommunication. I want to direct and produce my own documetaries. I just love people and I'm curious about them. But, I'm more interested in people and mental illness especially. But without sensationalizing, as in making people appear weak or helpless.
< Wow! that is so cool!
> I prefer accurate portrayals, you know? I actually wrote a paper on Bipolar Disorder for my Psychology 101 class (but it was a very personal paper, not diagnostic) and the prof asked to use if for her 400 level class to give a portrayal into what it actually "feels like" to have bipolar disorder. I was really proud. Because I didn't embellish or downplay, it was accurate according to how I saw everything that happened through my eyes.
<please sweet person send me a copy? At my e-mail address? Please. I would love to read it. my mother was bipolar all my life starting with my birth and I have always wondered what she saw. You are the best!
Posted by Karen_kay on January 10, 2004, at 21:24:50
In reply to you are the BEST!, posted by Jai Narayan on January 9, 2004, at 17:34:33
I went shopping today to help raise my spirits a bit and also for "back to school items," if you want to call them that. I guess that's how I justify it anyway :) But, I went for my biggest passions, shoes and perfume! I got the shoes on sale and the perfume, well...anyway! I guess I figure that if I like the way I smell and I smell good all year long and I get compliments on it then why not, right? And the shoes were really on sale!!!!! Big savings!!! So, that makes up for what I spent on the perfume, right?
<please sweet person send me a copy? At my e-mail address? Please. I would love to read it. my mother was bipolar all my life starting with my birth and I have always wondered what she saw. You are the best!
*Yes, I know I am the best, though you can continue to say it. It won't break my heart if you continue to tell me so. I'll think about sending it to you. It's just that it is so personal that I'll have to think about it. I'm sure you understand. I'm pretty sure I will say yes, but I just need to think about it first. I wouldn't want my life story of "madness" to get out before I sell the rights to a Film Producer :) Seriously, let me sleep on it a few nights. I just have some concerns as I guard my privacy and have trust issues and it is a rather personal story. I only wrote it with the intention of her possibly being able to use it as a teaching aid (and of course for extra credit). Actually my therapist asked to read it and I declined. The only possible reason I'd let you read it is because we've never met. I haven't even let my boyfriend or any other family or friends read it. See, I do have some trust issues. Promise you won't send it to my shrink? :)
Posted by All Done on January 10, 2004, at 23:22:26
In reply to Re: Mr. Bean :( » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 8, 2004, at 11:01:43
Just and FYI -
I'm not sure where either of you live, but if you're in the Chicago area (and happen to be awake and reading posts), I just noticed there appears to be a Mr. Bean marathon on PBS (WTTW, Channel 11).
Thought I'd let you know. : )
All Done
Posted by All Done on January 11, 2004, at 0:41:50
In reply to Re: Mr. Bean Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch » Miss Honeychurch, posted by All Done on January 10, 2004, at 23:22:26
Sorry. I'm pretty new at this...
Posted by Karen_kay on January 11, 2004, at 10:02:16
In reply to ^^^Above for Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch, posted by All Done on January 11, 2004, at 0:41:50
Awesome! Thanks a bunch! Miss Honey, if it's on where I am, I'm be thinking about "my new therapist" :)
Thank you All Done... It's strange.. I kinda think that this thread is a "secret" between Miss Honey and I... I didn't think anyone else read it. I'm going to go back and make sure I didn't put anything I shouldn't have in it. Well, I guess it's too late for that anyway! Hope you enjoyed it!
Miss Honey, how have you been? What did bean say aobut the love letter? Did he even realize it was a love letter? I'd say, judging by the new duds, he knew and got all dressed up just for you! Either that or he's been reading? Oh,no the horror!
Posted by Jai Narayan on January 11, 2004, at 11:21:58
In reply to yes, yes, I know :) » Jai Narayan, posted by Karen_kay on January 10, 2004, at 21:24:50
Wow, I had no idea what a huge request this was. I respect and honor anything you decide. I will not share it with anyone else on this planet, I promise. But if you want to keep it to yourself....I would totally honor that.
you are the BEST best.
Posted by Karen_kay on January 11, 2004, at 14:58:40
In reply to Re: yes, yes, I know :), posted by Jai Narayan on January 11, 2004, at 11:21:58
you are the BEST best.
*Could you say that just once more, pretty please :)
Posted by All Done on January 12, 2004, at 0:21:38
In reply to Re: ^^^Above for Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on January 11, 2004, at 10:02:16
> Awesome! Thanks a bunch! Miss Honey, if it's on where I am, I'm be thinking about "my new therapist" :)
>
> Thank you All Done... It's strange.. I kinda think that this thread is a "secret" between Miss Honey and I... I didn't think anyone else read it. I'm going to go back and make sure I didn't put anything I shouldn't have in it. Well, I guess it's too late for that anyway! Hope you enjoyed it!I hope you didn't mind my intrusion...
So many of your posts make me laugh and the ones that don't (or aren't intended to be funny) have been insightful and at times very helpful to me (a newbie to all this therapy-stuff). I hope you don't censor anything because you think about the fact that others are reading. When I see the little, yellow "new" next to your name, I look forward to reading the entry and I thank you for that! : )
Take care,
All Done
Posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 8:01:46
In reply to Re: ^^^Above for Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch » Karen_kay, posted by All Done on January 12, 2004, at 0:21:38
Ahhhhhhhhh, that was sweet! :) Miss Honey (and everyone else) WE ARE IMPORTANT! YAHOO! Thank you All Done! And I can assure you, I don't censor myself :) I think Social Babble is "Fun Time," and I really enjoy writing love letters and agendas to Miss Honey. But, for crying out loud, I feel like I'm only doing it for entertainment! I thought for sure she would take that last agenda in to her session with her. But, I guess not. I suppose it is up to me to pay her therapist a little visit on my own time and create my own agenda for him. If she doesn't use my advice, maybe she won't be included in this agenda! However, I have class today so I don't have time right now to write the agenda. But, I'll be thinking about it instead of the lecture, I assure you of this! And I'll post it when I get back from my classes. Now, if I fail my classes because I'm thinking about therapy agendas, I wonder how many years of therapy that will tack on to my endless schedule I already have? Hmmmmm.....
Well, anyway, thank you! And it wasn't an intrusion in the slightest. I don't mind that others read at all. It's just that I tend toforget that others are reading. Maybe I just find myself and my outrageous stories boring by now? I know my old man does. But, my therapist doesn't. That's a good sign :) He likes to listen to me talk. But, he's getting paid for it also :( He did tell me once that if we weren't client and therapist, that I'd be the type of person that he'd ahng out with, but I doubt he'd be the type of person I'd hang out with. He's just TOO emotional. YECK! I just know he'd call me crying all the time and I'd have to say, "Look man, get it together! Enough of your whining! I just can't take it anymore. Write yourself a script for some valium and follow it with a shot of rum and go to sleep. And please, if you feel this way in the morning, don't call me. I have enough bringing me down. I don't need your incessant whining to listen to as well. I have a mother and several friends for that. Hey, if you're feeling better later, do you want to go grab a beer."
I'm not very supportive am I? :) No, I don't think I could be his friend. But, he is so very yummy!
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 12, 2004, at 8:48:52
In reply to Re: ^^^Above for Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch » Karen_kay, posted by All Done on January 12, 2004, at 0:21:38
All Done,
How sweet of you to let Karen and me continue our fetish for Mr. Bean! UNfortunately, I just saw your post this morning so I couldn't revel in any Bean marathon. sigh...
I'm feeling sort of cra**y about the Christmas card/letter. I saw him last week for the first time in 3 weeks and while we had a good session, he didn't bring up the card or letter. I at least wanted him to say thanks! This happened before with a sympathy note I sent him a few months ago after he confided in me that his mother died. He never mentioned the note and I didn't want to bring it up. Someone posted to me (I think it was Dinah?) that her therapist never acknowledged her cards either. Maybe that is something therapists do? But after reading posts about the Perfect Therapy Patient Club recently, it seems a lot of therapists thanked their clients for cards. So now I'm feeling mine must be a jerk or he hasn't even read it yet. I try so hard to be special to him and I never really get any feedback!
And then I think, maybe he's been reading this and he is just getting back at me for outing his fashion disasters!
I don't know, I'm feeling rather blue today...
Posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 12:20:17
In reply to Re: ^^^Above for Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch, posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 12, 2004, at 8:48:52
I have sent NUMEROUS cards to my therapist. Many of them being thank you cards, but I've also sent him a Congrats card after he finished his big test. Which test I'm not sure, as I'm not exactly knowledgable in such areas, but it was a big deal. He never comments on them. NEVER! I've brought it up once saying that maybe, just maybe I send them to test my limits (which isn't rue and he knows it) and he always says that it isn't true and if it were then he would request that I stop sending them. He said it isn't as if I send them every week or two weeks or anything like that. He also said that it isn't as if I attach a 30 page note to the card, so the card is jsut a gesture of gratitude and he appreciates them, which I know because he places them in his office. OMG, if he's reading this I'm pointing myself out at this point. There's a huge arrow over my head saying "Look Dr. Spock, it's ME! Now check out all the nasty things I've said aobut you in the past." (I get so paranoid at times it hurts :(, well it doesn't hurt but you get the picture....
Anyway, look at it this way. If he brought the card up, then it would be because he was concerned. So, it is a good thing he didn't bring it up. Also, if you want to talk about the card, why don't you bring it up? Here's the agenda...
Miss Honey (and Karen if you really need me, but I assure you I smell so good he won't be paying much attention to you if I'm in the room)
January 13, 2004
2:00 pm2:00-2:01 Greetings
2:01-2:05 Bean comments on Karen's fragrance :)
2:05-2:06 Karen hands Bean name of fragrance along with home and cell number >)
2:06-2:07 Bean slips note in pocket and stares into space
2:07-2:08 Miss Honey becomes agitated
2:08-2:10 Bean shakes it off and resumes session
2:10-2:20 Miss Honey broaches subject of card casually
2:20-2:22 Karen bluntly explains it was a love letter and tells Bean of Miss Honey's transference issues
2:22-2:25 Miss Honey pouts in corner
2:25-2:30 Bean stares into space again
2:30-2:50 Bean and Miss Honey decide to begin talking about transference and realize that the discussion isn't nearly as bad as it seems! Also Bean thanks Miss Honey for the lovely card.Hmmmmm.... Maybe Karen should start going to everyone's therapy sessions? It would be a chance to start getting her number out there at least, though I'm sure her boyfriend may wonder why so may therapists are calling her all of the sudden.....But Karen do likey those therapists....
Posted by Dinah on January 12, 2004, at 19:23:07
In reply to Re: ^^^Above for Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch, posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 12, 2004, at 8:48:52
Twasn't me. I've never been polite enough to send a card of any sort. :)
Posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 20:34:33
In reply to Re: ^^^Above for Karen_kay and Miss Honeychurch, posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 12, 2004, at 8:48:52
I believe it was me. He never mentions the cards unless I bring them up. But he does put them up in his office, along with the stupid ones that little kids make for him. Does that make me mean for calling children's cards stupid? Sure, but they are competition and I don't like competition of any sort. Especially since when I asked him if I was his favorite client he said that the children he sees are his favorite. What, he picked children over me? *Grunt* I'm bitter about that one a little bit. I guess I'll just strive to be his favorite adult client at this point.
Oh, Miss Honey, I'm going to start a post over on Psycho-Whatever it's called now-Therapy Something or other.... Read it and respond, ok?
And ask him if he enjoyed the note... I'm sure he read it.... But, maybe it's in your file?......
Posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 12, 2004, at 20:37:15
In reply to Here's lookin at you, kid » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 12:20:17
Believe me, I smell plenty good at every therapy session. So good in fact that strangers in elevators comment on my wonderful fragrance (I am sure to apply it right before a session - not too much-so he'll notice). I prefer all of the Calvin Klein fragrances. But of course, he never says a thing and I know I smell wonderful! He is so freaking careful not to comment on my physical appearance it drives me crazy. For the love of God, all he has to say is that I look very humpable today or something and I would be happy for the rest of my life!!! That's it!!!
I still can't get over that yours aked your bra size!! Weren't you freaked out by that? Bean would die of embarassment I'm sure if I ever brought up my boobs. They are big but not too big and I'm sure he must notice them, although they are pretty well camouflaged under my work clothes, but sometimes I wear a tighter than usual sweater on Thursdays:)
I need to ammend your latest agenda with Bean to be as follows:
2:00 - 2:04
Greetings and salutations (handshakes all around with a wink and an extra squeeze for Miss Honeychurch. Karen dressed in stirrup pants with white socks, big slouchy sweater, and only Irish Spring as fragrance. Miss Honeychurch wearing her favotite "Truth" by CK)2:05 - 2:30
Karen addresses issue of transference and how it wouldn't be the end of the world if Bean were to declare Miss Honeychurch humpable.2:30 - 2:35
NOW Bean stares into space2:36 - 2:45
Karen introduces concept of big boy watch2:46 - 2:49
Bean stares into space again, clearly perplexed2:50
Karen and Miss Honeychurch depart (handshakes all around again. Karen unable to give Bean her phone number due to reasons unknown. Bean re-schedules Miss Honeychurch to Wednesdays - "Hump Day" if you will)
Posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 20:50:10
In reply to Re: Here's lookin at you, kid » Karen_kay, posted by Miss Honeychurch on January 12, 2004, at 20:37:15
Posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 21:06:14
In reply to OMG! Humping! (nm) » Miss Honeychurch, posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 20:50:10
I thought I was the only one who said humping! Where I used to work, I would announce hump day and do my own special dance too! And you get the drift....I'd hump anyone or thing in sight on Humpday! Tis a day for celebration, like any major holiday! I just switched from Chanel Coco to Chanel No 5. And I smell very humpable at this point, I must say. My therapist is always commenting on my boots, my wardrobe or fashion sense (he once said that my fashion style reminds him of someone from the 50's????), my hair style, or my bra size. I know he wants me :) Now, maybe he'll comment on my change in fragrance? Maybe you should come and see my therapist for just one session. It'll do you some good! One thing that bothered me once about my therapist! He once accused me of trying to be seductive or seduce him by wearing a top that I thought was cute and stylish! ERRR! It made me mad. I haven't been able to wear that shirt since! Not even to class or in public!
Agenda with Karen's therapist
Karen and Miss Honey
January ?, 2004
2:00 pm2:00-2:01 Greetings
2:01-2:10 Comments on appearance, though you don't dress as stylish as Karen
2:10-2:15 Comments on boobs, though they aren't as perky as Karens; asks for specific size
2:15-2:25 Comments on shoes, though the heels aren't as high as Karen's
2:15-2:25 Comments on hair, though the color isn't as nice as Karen's
2:25-2:45 Discussion of your anger towards Karen and how you don't feel you live up to her reputation; Karen's grinning in the corner
2:45-2:50 You leave a card that he doesn't thank you for, yet he hangs up in his officeYou leave feeling better about yourself, yet still not quite feeling better. You shake your rump while walking in front of him, and notice he is in fact looking. You're grinning ear to ear as you walk out the door and reschedule! THE END!
Posted by Elle2021 on January 13, 2004, at 4:57:57
In reply to Re: OMG! Humping! » Karen_kay, posted by Karen_kay on January 12, 2004, at 21:06:14
> I just switched from Chanel Coco to Chanel No 5.
I didn't know anyone else took time to try and make sure that the therapist noticed perfume! I alternate between Victoria's Secret Strawberries and Champagne and Chanel No. 5. It smells way better on me Karen... :)
Elle
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