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Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 5, 2003, at 13:28:15
I know this may be better suited to the faith board, but I have a feeling that the pagans don't go there very often, lol. Anyway, I was just wondering, and hoping to get to know you better.
Posted by gabbix2 on August 5, 2003, at 16:05:41
In reply to Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 5, 2003, at 13:28:15
Hi,
Yes,
Though I haven't participated in any active ceremony in at least 3 years. I've moved from the city to a small very religious farming community,
and I suspect I'm the only one here.
I don't mind it being personal though I did find
it to be more meaningful with just a few very close friends, as I found to my dissappointment the politics to be present in the wiccan community as much as they were in any other shamelessly hierarcical one.I'm having a dreadful day, and probably not being clear at all I just thought I'd let you know that yes, there is one here, though I'm more reserved about it.
Unless someone uses the term Witch synonymously with satanism or evil, or other
things I can't really broach here involving the religion I was raised into, biblical interpretations, women, the Malleus Maleficarum
and well many other things. Then I can get very hot under the collar, very
very very very...
Posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 9:39:16
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here?, posted by gabbix2 on August 5, 2003, at 16:05:41
I have not been around lately, for I have not been doing all that well.
But I had to say YES... I am here. I am solitary, and goddess based. Some of my old posts showed that I was but, I did not think there was anyone else here.
No I do not go to the Faith site, for it is not faith this is what I believe and know to be true.
If you want to chat, send an email... s8danevi@yahoo.com
By the way, have you ever thought of going to mwmf? I am leaving for it on Monday!
Posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 10:07:17
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here? Yes and Proud, posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 9:39:16
I am...somewhat...definitely believe in the principals,
etc...but the groups around here that I've been to have
been a turn off somehow. I am definitely nature based in
my spirituality...kind of pagan like. I used to do "spells"
when I was younger...nothing evil of course...just setting aside
time to think about what I wanted to manifest in my life and putting
together symbols..creating sacred space...tuning into spirit...etc.
I actually really liked doing that. Now when I go on a hike...I think
of that as going to church.Funny, I was just reading about the lead singer of this
metal group called Godsmack...the lead singer, Sully Erna
is a wiccan. He's a cutie too :-)
Posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 10:34:22
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here? Kind of..., posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 10:07:17
I am so tired of people associating wiccan with satanism. This past weekend, in a little town in Grand Rapids, MI, a so called church BURNED books that had anything myical, spells, anything even all the Harry Potter books. They said that satin had taken over.
Upset was not the word for it... I was outraged, I could not even sleep that night. There are so many ignorant people around here and the world. Even my folks consider it evil, I just drop the subject for they are strict catholic. You know the ones that have crosses on every wall... that is my parents.
Wiccan is not evil, only the person performing the rituals may be.
Funny, Witchcraft was about before Christanity, and they took alot of our rituals and made them there own. They took one of our gods, who was not evil at all, and made there Devil to look like him.
When will the burning stop? First Salem, now books and everything else.
Sorry I am just very protective of this subject!
Posted by Kar on August 6, 2003, at 11:12:39
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here? Kind of..., posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 10:07:17
Oh ya yah, that Godsmack guy is sweet. I try to keep up on things. I was visiting a dear frined of mine who had her granddaughter visiting. She's 13. She was surprised when I told her old I was because I'm hip. (Proud puffed up chest here; strutting around the room). Yeah I know who Justin Timberlake is. I don't like the dude but hey. So then I tried to educate her about this "pop rock" crap and how they have no talent but are cute and they target little girls in her age range. "But he's so cuuuuute!", she said. Ah well, I was like that with Shaun Cassidy, sooo.
Harry Potter
Godsmack
BooksThat should keep this from getting redirected.
>Now when I go on a hike...I think
> of that as going to church.
See that's it exactly! I was raised Roman Catholic. When my brother was 17, he sat down with Mom and Dad and said, "I'm not going to go to church anymore. I appreciate all you guys have done, but I don't believe that you need to go to church to connect with God. I see God in my friends and in my life"...and man, are my parents cool or what?- they said ok.I'd like to know more about Wiccans...Gabbi has told me some...well maybe I should get a book. But I fear that a book would give me "hardcore wiccan" stuff.
Anyone?
Remember to mention Godsmack.
Oh hell (oooops), we're heading for the faith board anyway...Karen
Posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 11:33:37
In reply to Godsmack! How appropriate! » ROO, posted by Kar on August 6, 2003, at 11:12:39
Faith from Websters:
"Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY
b (1) : fidelity to one's promises
(2) : sincerity of intentions2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God
(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a
religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there
is no proof
(2) : complete trust3 : something that is believed especially with
strong conviction; especially : a system of
religious beliefs"Wiccan is not a faith... as defined by Webster.
We do not believe in ONE god, or the one god.
We do not believe in something that has no proof. We have proof for Wiccan, in writtings, rituals and even the fact that other religions used Wiccan as a stepping stone to build there own beliefes.
We do have complete trust though.
Wiccan is a very sacrid belief, and is not talked about enough for people to truly grasp what it is about. We are not satanic...
Any specific questions?
Posted by zenhussy on August 6, 2003, at 11:37:20
In reply to Re: Godsmack! How appropriate!, posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 11:33:37
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:03:39
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here?, posted by gabbix2 on August 5, 2003, at 16:05:41
First off, I'm sorry you're having a bad day. :-( I'll send some good energy your way.
Other than that, just thank you very much for your reply... it helps to know that I'm not alone on here. :-)
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:06:14
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here? Kind of..., posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 10:07:17
lol, I knew about Sully being wiccan... I remember MTV news mentioning it after the video for "Voodoo" came out. And yes, he's pretty easy on the eyes, lol.
It's great to be in touch with your spiritual side, isn't it? However that may be... spells, meditation, a hike in the woods... it's all so "centering". :-)
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:26:34
In reply to Myth of Wiccan, posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 10:34:22
> They said that satin had taken over.
Oh my goodness, a new world order of comfortable fabrics??? Oh, the humanity!! lol j/k ;-)
> Upset was not the word for it... I was outraged, I could not even sleep that night. There are so many ignorant people around here and the world. Even my folks consider it evil, I just drop the subject for they are strict catholic. You know the ones that have crosses on every wall... that is my parents.
I remember when some town in New Mexico or Arizona (can't remember exactly) burned Harry Potter books sometime last year. I too was outraged beyond belief, and was also unable to sleep the night that I heard about it.
I'm really sorry about your parents... I'm blessed to have a mother that actually supports my beliefs. Then again, she has admitted to me that the only reason she considers herself Christian is because she's afraid if she doesn't, the devil is gonna come and "get her", lmao.
My younger sister (about to be fifteen September 3) is a devout Wiccan. I suppose she was first turned onto the idea because of me (though I practice paganism, not Wicca). By no means did I ever push any beliefs onto her though, nor would I ever have wanted to. She's incredibly bright (14 and entering the 12th grade), and far too much an individual to fall for religious propaganda anyway.
> Wiccan is not evil, only the person performing the rituals may be.
Very true.
> Funny, Witchcraft was about before Christanity, and they took alot of our rituals and made them there own. They took one of our gods, who was not evil at all, and made there Devil to look like him.
Right... Christmas was originally the pagan Sabbat of Yule (winter solstice), Easter the pagan Sabbat of Ostara (spring equinox), and Halloween (though not a Christian holiday) the pagan Sabbat of Samhain.
The Christmas wreath and evergreen tree were originally pagan... not many people know that.
As for the pagan god that was made into the Judeo-Christian devil, you'll have to refresh my memory... I believe it was the Egyptian god, Set (Set, Satan...)? And I'm sure it's no coincidence that the ancient Norse goddess Hel was a ruler of the underworld. ;-)
> When will the burning stop? First Salem, now books and everything else.
>
> Sorry I am just very protective of this subject!Same here!
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:28:37
In reply to Godsmack! How appropriate! » ROO, posted by Kar on August 6, 2003, at 11:12:39
Here's are a couple absolutely fabulous sites that deal with Wicca and paganism:
Posted by zenhussy on August 6, 2003, at 12:49:02
In reply to Re: Godsmack! How appropriate! » Kar, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:28:37
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/248630.html
Posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 12:53:36
In reply to Godsmack! How appropriate! » ROO, posted by Kar on August 6, 2003, at 11:12:39
Kar...I like you. You are a cool chick. Yeah,
I'm totally out of touch...the only reason I found out
about Godsmack was I happened to be watching that weird
Pepsi concert they play every sunday now and Godsmack was
on it. I don't even know why I was watching it. But the cute
hip bubbly chick was interviewing Sully and he sounded very, very
nice and also intelligent! I was so shocked! He talked about the song
Serenity that they were going to play and how he was inspired by a book
that Neil Peart (from Rush) wrote after his wife and daughter died
all within 10 months...it was about riding a motorcycle across the country
and his "healing journey"...I was so surprised to hear a metal guy talking
about being inspired by someone's healing journey! And he just seemed really
sweet and enthusiastic. I listened to the song Serenity and it was actually
really good. Plus the guy is a hottie. So I googled him and learned about
how he's into Wicca, etc.
I really don't like to associate myself wholly with any particular
religion...including something as open and free as wicca or paganism.
I relate closely with it, for sure. Religion and spirituality is such a
personal thing...such a process...figuring out what it means for you. I
never have fit nicely into any particular category, I guess.How old are you anyway, you hipster you? I'm 34, and will be 35 at the
end of august.
Posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 12:55:12
In reply to Re: Myth of Wiccan » giget, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:26:34
I will have to look up the spelling of the God tonight. It is in a couple of my books that explains our roots.
Great sites... I have a few favorite sites, but will not bring them up at work.
I have not found many of us in Michigan, but did find one at work. So I will be so happy to get out to CA, when I move that is, and achually have a community!
Posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 13:07:26
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here? Kind of... » ROO, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:06:14
>
> It's great to be in touch with your spiritual
side, isn't it? However that may be... spells,
meditation, a hike in the woods... it's all so
"centering". :-)
Yes, it is great. Like exercise, I just don't feel "right"
somehow, if I don't have that spiritual time (and that can mean
just having a day by myself and being quiet). Nature is very important...I
need to get out and hike at least once a week. I also
resonate very strongly with zen meditation. I feel really good
when I'm meditating regularly (which I haven't been), but I'm slowly
getting back into it. Yesterday I meditated for 20 minutes....marvelled
at my monkey brain, jumping all over the place, chattering, chattering
chattering...and was soothed by the occasional moments of silence and just
being in the present moment.
I know your name is french, but does it have a meaning?
>
Posted by gabbix2 on August 6, 2003, at 13:24:26
In reply to Re: Myth of Wiccan » giget, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 12:26:34
That was one of the subjects I was not going to bring up but seeing as y'all have... No not the worship of material goods.. satinism, but the appropriation many of the pagan rituals and gods and godesses, I was thinking specifically of
the fertility godess.
Who of course in keeping with the patriarchy had to have her power of fertility 'cleansed' and become simply a conduit for a male god..
It does amaze me how people can just ignore an inconvenient part of history.
And yeah, it does keep me from sleeping..
Posted by Kar on August 6, 2003, at 13:34:13
In reply to Re: Kar, posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 12:53:36
Posted by stjames on August 6, 2003, at 14:05:09
In reply to Myth of Wiccan, posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 10:34:22
> Funny, Witchcraft was about before Christanity, and they took alot of our rituals and made them there own.
Christanity is redressed paganisim.
Easter, redressed, is Beltain.
Posted by gabbix2 on August 6, 2003, at 14:06:00
In reply to Re: Myth of Wiccan » Ame Sans Vie, posted by gabbix2 on August 6, 2003, at 13:24:26
That was just good natured teasing about the *Satinism* I hope it didn't come across any other way. When I'm not feeling well my spelling and
sentences are the first things to go, my entire first post on this thread made no sense at all!Ame Sans Vie
Thanks for sending the Good Energy..
If that doesn't work
How about some good drugs? Anything....
Posted by KimberlyDi on August 6, 2003, at 15:19:09
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here? Ames Sans Vie, posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 13:07:26
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 16:09:50
In reply to Re: Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here? Ames Sans Vie, posted by ROO on August 6, 2003, at 13:07:26
Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 6, 2003, at 16:13:04
In reply to Giget , posted by gabbix2 on August 6, 2003, at 14:06:00
> Thanks for sending the Good Energy..
> If that doesn't work
> How about some good drugs? Anything....lol! <<passing the good drugs to Gabbix>> (Sorry, I'd be more specific, but I don't know which drugs you consider "good" :-/ )
Posted by lil' jimi on August 6, 2003, at 18:34:17
In reply to Any fellow pagans/Wiccans here?, posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 5, 2003, at 13:28:15
hi Michael,
> I know this may be better suited to the faith board, but I have a feeling that the pagans don't go there very often, lol. Anyway, I was just wondering, and hoping to get to know you better.
>... i know of at least one wiccan who posts over at Faith ... ... ... i bet she'd like to know you're all around ... ...
~ jim
Posted by SilmarilOne on August 7, 2003, at 0:23:45
In reply to Re: Myth of Wiccan, posted by giget on August 6, 2003, at 12:55:12
hey, i'm from michigan, but i live in california. feel free to email me or something! blessed be!
-thomas-
> I have not found many of us in Michigan, but did find one at work. So I will be so happy to get out to CA, when I move that is, and achually have a community!
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