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Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 18:57:20
In reply to Re: What a Load » verne, posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 18:32:31
Alex,
I'm so glad you've come around - in more ways than one. We used to argue a lot and I would deliberately bait you, hoping I guess for a block. I was plain mean.
I don't get much out of cyber relationships, whether at Babble or elsewhere. I react to answering machines the same way (can I get a "shout out" from all you fellow borderliners?)
Yet I keep reaching out, hoping to find something real. I'm not real yet want someone else to tell me otherwise. How sad is that?
I don't know you, but you've really changed - you've grown. (hope that didn't sound condesending) You used to argue everything into the ground but your spirit has changed. Geez, I'm so judgemental. Allow me one more judgement: you've improved on yourself - or God (some strange force) did it.
Your on the right track. I need to get back to my own derailment - it's always about me.
Verne
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:03:31
In reply to and of course there are more..., posted by alexandra_k on April 22, 2009, at 1:32:05
I am trying to figure out how to become involved in this conversation without becoming part of it. I just want to drop my own bomb and run away.
- Scott
Posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 21:15:58
In reply to Re: and of course there are more..., posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:03:31
I don't know what to do.
Part of me wishes I hadn't done that.
Part of me doesn't quite agree.
I'm not sure what will change.
I'm sorry for the collateral damage.
Wholeheartedly.
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:21:38
In reply to Re: and of course there are more..., posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 21:15:58
> I don't know what to do.
Just be you.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 21:34:19
In reply to Re: and of course there are more..., posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:03:31
I applaud you for saying absolutely nothing. That takes a rare skill.
I salute you.
Verne
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:54:01
In reply to Could You Say Even Less? » SLS, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 21:34:19
> I applaud you for saying absolutely nothing. That takes a rare skill.
>
> I salute you.Perhaps it is a rare skill to find meaning in absolutely nothing.
- Scott
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 23:55:25
In reply to Re: Could You Say Even Less? » verne, posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:54:01
to pretend you mean something and hide behind saying nothing.
yet I applaud you.
Verne
Posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 2:34:41
In reply to Even Rarer Still, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 23:55:25
The only thing i'm particularly interested in is why Bob is such a prick. Could he possibly be as ignorant of human psychology as he pretends to be in these threads? I'm aware psychiatrists often
don't know much about psychopharmacology, but i assumed they all had some modicum of listening skills, at least. The close adherence to arbitrary rules suggests something like autism/OCPD. Perhaps someone who knows the psychological side of things whos been around for years could say somehting more about him.Or, is he just enjoying the power to make other people jump when he says to? Going into some socially respected profession because you feel unimportant isn't that uncommon. usually trolling the interweb is for 16yr olds though. of course, with those killer social skills...
or he really is uncomfortable with the power he wants, hence the removal of agency from himself. which is kind of sad. Midas; Gollum.
I think there is no more charitable way to read his comments/actions, though i'd like to hear one. I think bob needs help and after providing a safe place for us, understanding him is the least we can do for him.
PS: I assume there is no risk of being blocked for posting this, because the rules state "post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down" - some bleetings from the herd would not lead you to feel put down; you're far too important.
-d/r
Posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 2:53:32
In reply to whats wrong with dr bob?, posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 2:34:41
very insightful and penetrating. Thanks for your contribution.
Vreeves
Posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 6:37:57
In reply to Even Rarer Still, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 23:55:25
> to pretend you mean something and hide behind saying nothing.
I was hoping there was enough room between my lines so as to be able to read between them. They were meant to be thought-provoking rather than dictatorial or dogmatic. I thought that they also helped to preserve civility. I didn't want to be so direct as to accuse anyone of anything, especially when I am now accused of saying nothing.
> yet I applaud you.
Verne, given your previous posts to me, I remain defensive enough to tentatively conclude that you are being sarcastic. I am unsure of this, though. I would hope not. Personally, I think you found enough meaning in my first post along this thread to have been struck and angered by it. I can't read your mind, of course.
In any even, my posts about nothing have certainly provoked considerable thought by *you*.
- Scott
Posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 9:36:07
In reply to Re: Even Rarer Still » verne, posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 6:37:57
Sorry,
Not sure what I was talking about myself.
I'm straining to get myself blocked and you just got in the way. Nothing personal.
I was just being a jerk.
Verne
Posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 9:41:28
In reply to PWD Yet Again » SLS, posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 9:36:07
> Sorry,
>
> Not sure what I was talking about myself.
>
> I'm straining to get myself blocked and you just got in the way.LOL
> Nothing personal.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 24, 2009, at 9:55:56
In reply to whats wrong with dr bob?, posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 2:34:41
> The only thing i'm particularly interested in is why Bob is such a prick.
>
> PS: I assume there is no risk of being blocked for posting this, because ... some bleetings from the herd would not lead you to feel put down; you're far too important.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if you think they're important.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 24, 2009, at 9:56:03
In reply to PWD Yet Again » SLS, posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 9:36:07
> Sorry,
>
> I'm straining to get myself blocked and you just got in the way. Nothing personal.Thanks for apologizing to Scott. Maybe you're straining to stay sober, too?
Bob
Posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 16:32:03
In reply to Re: It will be interesting to see, posted by Dr. Bob on April 22, 2009, at 4:01:27
>>>There does seem to be this persistent idea that I have all the power and posters have none.
Bob>>>
Could you please tell me what power we have with the exception of leaving?
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 16:37:09
In reply to Bob: Now, do the right thing and unblock Twinleaf » Dr. Bob, posted by stellabystarlight on April 22, 2009, at 19:17:53
> Bob,
>
> Now...do the right thing and unblock Twinleaf.
>
> Please!!!!!
>
> I know you're a busy man, but please read all the threads that's led to her blocks.
> I feel the reasons for her blocks are inconsistent at best.
>
> She is a fine person who's genuinely helped many here, including myself.
> She was an asset here!
>
> I am shocked by what I have witnessed here, and saddened by the loss of safety here.
> Also, the loss of fondness for you and babble.
>
> I'm absolutely sickened by the amount of pain she must be going through...(((sorry Twinleaf))).
>
> Please, Bob...undo this wrong.
>
> StellabystarlightI second the motion! Yes Bob unblock Twinleaf, Zaze, and anyone else you blocked for more than one week and especially those blocked for a month or more.
rsk
>
Posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 16:38:44
In reply to Re: and of course there are more... » alexandra_k, posted by stellabystarlight on April 22, 2009, at 20:10:40
I too am sorry for the loss of your father and mother. That is a hard thing to deal with and I am sorry we haven't been there for either of you.
rsk
Posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 16:41:05
In reply to PWD Again, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 12:13:25
Posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 16:46:07
In reply to Re: please be civil » desolationrower, posted by Dr. Bob on April 24, 2009, at 9:55:56
> > The only thing i'm particularly interested in is why Bob is such a prick.
> >
> > PS: I assume there is no risk of being blocked for posting this, because ... some bleetings from the herd would not lead you to feel put down; you're far too important.
>
> Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if you think they're important.
>
> But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts.
>
> More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
>
> Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BobHere we go again,
rsk
Posted by raisinb on April 24, 2009, at 17:15:57
In reply to Re: please be civil, posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 16:46:07
I never know what to post in these threads, but I wanted to say that the rules *do* in some sense protect all of us. Sometimes, an uncivil post really hurts people, too. Sometimes I think about how it would feel if someone posted something similar to me, and I really wouldn't like it.
I know Dr. Bob has been somewhat less than supportive and open in these conflicts. But I don't want to throw the baby (a civil, safe place for us to bring all of our most vulnerable stuff to) out with the bathwater (his behavior).
Maybe some posters shouldn't have been blocked based on the rules. I don't know enough about that to comment. If that's true, then they definitely should be unblocked.
This is aside from my feelings about non-deputy posters "policing" others, which I don't think is a reasonable or healthy suggestion. Deputies are different, of course, because they have agreed to take on the challenge.
My .02,
Raisinb
Posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 17:19:06
In reply to Re: PWD Yet Again » verne, posted by Dr. Bob on April 24, 2009, at 9:56:03
> > Sorry,
> >
> > I'm straining to get myself blocked and you just got in the way. Nothing personal.
>
> Thanks for apologizing to Scott. Maybe you're straining to stay sober, too?
>
> BobDr. Bob:
That was a very compassionate act.
I can't remember your ever attempting to allow someone to heal in such a way as to actually offer a potentially insightful and helpful suggestion.
- Scott
Posted by stellabystarlight on April 24, 2009, at 17:27:40
In reply to Re: PWD Yet Again » Dr. Bob, posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 17:19:06
> Dr. Bob:
>
> That was a very compassionate act.
>
> I can't remember your ever attempting to allow someone to heal in such a way as to actually offer a potentially insightful and helpful suggestion.
>
>
> - Scott*********************************************************************************************
I applaud this compassionate act from Dr. Bob. I would love to see more of it...more consistently.It's wonderful to see people work it out given the opportunity.
Stellabystarlight
Posted by stellabystarlight on April 24, 2009, at 17:58:31
In reply to hey guys » rskontos, posted by raisinb on April 24, 2009, at 17:15:57
I believe that rules are always needed. Period. We live with many different rules everyday. What hurts is when the rules are carried out in a subjective way.
My perception is that some people are getting blocked for weeks and months when others get warnings for sayings worse...or sometimes they're not even getting a warning.
Rules, rule makers, and people who carry out the rules aren't perfect, and it is a part of life...but, sometimes it's so glaringly unfair ....this makes me personally feel unsafe and hurt.
Even though I lurk most of the time, I come here for support and to support others if I can like so many of you here, and it's very tough to watch someone get blocked and shut-out when they have helped you.
Twinleaf is a good person...she was just trying to help another poster going through a hard time.
And then it went out of control.
Stellabystarlight
Posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 18:21:12
In reply to and of course there are more..., posted by alexandra_k on April 22, 2009, at 1:32:05
So we have this thing in the U.S. military called an "amnesty box". When you are departing from a war zone and have illegal paraphenelia, before you have to go through search points at the Port, you can place it in the box and the illegal act is ignored. Stuff like bomb shells, stuff from Sadaam's palaces, Iraqi weapons, other stuff people take as souveniers, drugs--anything.
People will look the other way--in terms of the law--if a person had the sensibility to discard what they knew they shouldn't have brought back. It encourages trust and good will. It allows reflection. It fosters integrity-doing the right thing.
So how about having a PB amnesty box--forgive and unblock everyone - and start over. I bet you like psychological experiments and would be interested in the outcome. Let's have an amnesty moment, Bob.
AmnestyBob
New beginnings.
Posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 21:37:55
In reply to Hey Dr. Bob - how 'bout this? » alexandra_k, posted by garnet71 on April 24, 2009, at 18:21:12
> So we have this thing in the U.S. military called an "amnesty box". When you are departing from a war zone and have illegal paraphenelia, before you have to go through search points at the Port, you can place it in the box and the illegal act is ignored. Stuff like bomb shells, stuff from Sadaam's palaces, Iraqi weapons, other stuff people take as souveniers, drugs--anything.
>
> People will look the other way--in terms of the law--if a person had the sensibility to discard what they knew they shouldn't have brought back. It encourages trust and good will. It allows reflection. It fosters integrity-doing the right thing.
>
> So how about having a PB amnesty box--forgive and unblock everyone - and start over. I bet you like psychological experiments and would be interested in the outcome. Let's have an amnesty moment, Bob.
>
> AmnestyBob
>
> New beginnings.
excellent suggestion, I like the amnesty box idea.rsk
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