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Posted by stellabystarlight on April 22, 2009, at 20:10:40
In reply to Re: and of course there are more..., posted by alexandra_k on April 22, 2009, at 17:18:55
Dear Alexandra_K and Toph,
I am very sorry to hear about your father's passing, Alexandra_K,
and your mother's passing Toph. Take good care of yourselves.Stellabystarlight
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 1:39:01
In reply to Re: thanks » alexandra_k, posted by Dr. Bob on April 22, 2009, at 18:18:52
I think it's wondeful if Alexandra K has come back. I don't get the need to be accepted by any online community, let alone, your's, Dr Bob.
So you took her back into your fold. How terribly sick is that?
As a side note, before I'm blocked forever, I want to apologize to Alex K for all the times I baited her into blocks. I was that mean. I ran circles around people, knowing how to be sarcastic, mean, and cruel, and yet be within the "civility" guidelines.
I caused many people, including you to be blocked, manipulating Dr Bob and his "system" the whole time. I knew how to cause trouble and still remain within the guidelines. I could thread a needle of civility and do babblespeak with the best of them.
I wish you the best. No ill will.
Verne
Posted by Zana on April 23, 2009, at 11:18:39
In reply to What a Load, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 1:39:01
I am a relative newcomer and don't understand the history of Alex being blocked at all.
Anyone want to take on the task of explaining what sounds like a long and difficult story? I really apprehiate understanding this better.
Thank you.Zanz
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 12:13:25
In reply to What a Load, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 1:39:01
Before I'm blocked forever, I just wanted to again apologize for any obnoxious posts last night. I went overboard with the drinking, even by my standards. I need to do a little "remedial" drinking today, just to make it.
I don't usually drink two days in a row but need to "taper".
I'm not a mean drunk in person but if I have access to the internet or get an answering machine, I can be vile. Never been in so much as a fight in real life. Only arrested once for "trespass" when I walked into a church late at night - charges were dropped.
I'm still hopeful about recovery and a long journey of sobriety. If I can stay sober for a year I'll be back.
love verne
Posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 13:54:37
In reply to What Happened?, posted by Zana on April 23, 2009, at 11:18:39
As you say, its a long and difficult story. It is there in the archives if you want to see how things unfolded for yourself. Good luck to you in trying to make sense of it. It is an incomplete register at best. There are probably as many different opinions on what happened as there are individual posters. I'm not sure that dragging it up now is the way to move forwards.
Posted by Kath on April 23, 2009, at 16:15:28
In reply to What Happened?, posted by Zana on April 23, 2009, at 11:18:39
Hi Zana,
I agree with AK. It's all there in the archives & bringing it up again wouldn't accomplish anything positive, in my opinion. In fact, I don't even know the details.
:-)
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 16:33:10
In reply to Re: What Happened? » Zana, posted by Kath on April 23, 2009, at 16:15:28
What's so scary about visiting the archives - and why not? Do we cover everything up in the name of Peace?
I don't revisit the archives but why suggest not to? That's more disturbing than anything the archives may reveal.
Let people make up their own minds and explore on their own.
Verne
Posted by Kath on April 23, 2009, at 16:43:57
In reply to Dredge the Pool, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 16:33:10
> What's so scary about visiting the archives - and why not? Do we cover everything up in the name of Peace?
>
> I don't revisit the archives but why suggest not to? That's more disturbing than anything the archives may reveal.
>
> Let people make up their own minds and explore on their own.
>
> Verne~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Hi Verne,
I'm not sure if your post was in response to mine or not. If so, I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough. I did not mean, nor would I suggest that anyone should not read the archives. Far from it. There're there so that people can read them if they want to.
Once again - not even sure if your post had anything to do with mine. If so, I simply meant that the info was in the archives & why go into it here again now. I was agreeing with Alex K.
Sorry if I wasn't clear.
:-)) Kath
Posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 18:30:18
In reply to What Happened?, posted by Zana on April 23, 2009, at 11:18:39
It can be hard to see a conversation unfold and not really understand what is going on because people are talking about things that you weren't there for. I know I find it hard to feel part of a social group when there are references to things that I don't know about. I do understand that sometimes it helps to know the background to follow what is going on. In this situation I guess things have been raised that maybe shouldn't have been raised. Or something. I guess I'm done. Business as usual. Something. I don't know. I'm sorry.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 18:32:31
In reply to What a Load, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 1:39:01
> I want to apologize to Alex K for all the times I baited her into blocks.Yeah well I guess I need to apologize for all the times I baited you into a block, too. I mean, I didn't intend to do so but I now see that trying hard to justify some of Bob's arbitrary-seeming decisions can be a baiting thing to do. An unhelpful thing to do. People did try and explain that to me, over and over. It's something that I needed to learn the hard way. Sorry bout that dude.
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 18:57:20
In reply to Re: What a Load » verne, posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 18:32:31
Alex,
I'm so glad you've come around - in more ways than one. We used to argue a lot and I would deliberately bait you, hoping I guess for a block. I was plain mean.
I don't get much out of cyber relationships, whether at Babble or elsewhere. I react to answering machines the same way (can I get a "shout out" from all you fellow borderliners?)
Yet I keep reaching out, hoping to find something real. I'm not real yet want someone else to tell me otherwise. How sad is that?
I don't know you, but you've really changed - you've grown. (hope that didn't sound condesending) You used to argue everything into the ground but your spirit has changed. Geez, I'm so judgemental. Allow me one more judgement: you've improved on yourself - or God (some strange force) did it.
Your on the right track. I need to get back to my own derailment - it's always about me.
Verne
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:03:31
In reply to and of course there are more..., posted by alexandra_k on April 22, 2009, at 1:32:05
I am trying to figure out how to become involved in this conversation without becoming part of it. I just want to drop my own bomb and run away.
- Scott
Posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 21:15:58
In reply to Re: and of course there are more..., posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:03:31
I don't know what to do.
Part of me wishes I hadn't done that.
Part of me doesn't quite agree.
I'm not sure what will change.
I'm sorry for the collateral damage.
Wholeheartedly.
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:21:38
In reply to Re: and of course there are more..., posted by alexandra_k on April 23, 2009, at 21:15:58
> I don't know what to do.
Just be you.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 21:34:19
In reply to Re: and of course there are more..., posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:03:31
I applaud you for saying absolutely nothing. That takes a rare skill.
I salute you.
Verne
Posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:54:01
In reply to Could You Say Even Less? » SLS, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 21:34:19
> I applaud you for saying absolutely nothing. That takes a rare skill.
>
> I salute you.Perhaps it is a rare skill to find meaning in absolutely nothing.
- Scott
Posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 23:55:25
In reply to Re: Could You Say Even Less? » verne, posted by SLS on April 23, 2009, at 21:54:01
to pretend you mean something and hide behind saying nothing.
yet I applaud you.
Verne
Posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 2:34:41
In reply to Even Rarer Still, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 23:55:25
The only thing i'm particularly interested in is why Bob is such a prick. Could he possibly be as ignorant of human psychology as he pretends to be in these threads? I'm aware psychiatrists often
don't know much about psychopharmacology, but i assumed they all had some modicum of listening skills, at least. The close adherence to arbitrary rules suggests something like autism/OCPD. Perhaps someone who knows the psychological side of things whos been around for years could say somehting more about him.Or, is he just enjoying the power to make other people jump when he says to? Going into some socially respected profession because you feel unimportant isn't that uncommon. usually trolling the interweb is for 16yr olds though. of course, with those killer social skills...
or he really is uncomfortable with the power he wants, hence the removal of agency from himself. which is kind of sad. Midas; Gollum.
I think there is no more charitable way to read his comments/actions, though i'd like to hear one. I think bob needs help and after providing a safe place for us, understanding him is the least we can do for him.
PS: I assume there is no risk of being blocked for posting this, because the rules state "post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down" - some bleetings from the herd would not lead you to feel put down; you're far too important.
-d/r
Posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 2:53:32
In reply to whats wrong with dr bob?, posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 2:34:41
very insightful and penetrating. Thanks for your contribution.
Vreeves
Posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 6:37:57
In reply to Even Rarer Still, posted by verne on April 23, 2009, at 23:55:25
> to pretend you mean something and hide behind saying nothing.
I was hoping there was enough room between my lines so as to be able to read between them. They were meant to be thought-provoking rather than dictatorial or dogmatic. I thought that they also helped to preserve civility. I didn't want to be so direct as to accuse anyone of anything, especially when I am now accused of saying nothing.
> yet I applaud you.
Verne, given your previous posts to me, I remain defensive enough to tentatively conclude that you are being sarcastic. I am unsure of this, though. I would hope not. Personally, I think you found enough meaning in my first post along this thread to have been struck and angered by it. I can't read your mind, of course.
In any even, my posts about nothing have certainly provoked considerable thought by *you*.
- Scott
Posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 9:36:07
In reply to Re: Even Rarer Still » verne, posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 6:37:57
Sorry,
Not sure what I was talking about myself.
I'm straining to get myself blocked and you just got in the way. Nothing personal.
I was just being a jerk.
Verne
Posted by SLS on April 24, 2009, at 9:41:28
In reply to PWD Yet Again » SLS, posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 9:36:07
> Sorry,
>
> Not sure what I was talking about myself.
>
> I'm straining to get myself blocked and you just got in the way.LOL
> Nothing personal.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 24, 2009, at 9:55:56
In reply to whats wrong with dr bob?, posted by desolationrower on April 24, 2009, at 2:34:41
> The only thing i'm particularly interested in is why Bob is such a prick.
>
> PS: I assume there is no risk of being blocked for posting this, because ... some bleetings from the herd would not lead you to feel put down; you're far too important.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. Even if you think they're important.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts.
More information about posting policies and tips on alternative ways to express oneself are in the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforceFollow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above post, should of course themselves be civil.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on April 24, 2009, at 9:56:03
In reply to PWD Yet Again » SLS, posted by verne on April 24, 2009, at 9:36:07
> Sorry,
>
> I'm straining to get myself blocked and you just got in the way. Nothing personal.Thanks for apologizing to Scott. Maybe you're straining to stay sober, too?
Bob
Posted by rskontos on April 24, 2009, at 16:32:03
In reply to Re: It will be interesting to see, posted by Dr. Bob on April 22, 2009, at 4:01:27
>>>There does seem to be this persistent idea that I have all the power and posters have none.
Bob>>>
Could you please tell me what power we have with the exception of leaving?
rsk
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