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Posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 12:39:41
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by SLS on July 2, 2013, at 3:15:56
> > > What I'm getting at is its taken more seriously in this world when someone has their feelings hurt than when someone has their brain ruined.
> >
> > But that doesn't make it sound much better, does it?
> > I'm not meaning to hurt any feelings. I guess I'm just writing like this because I'm not a strong person.
>
> I apologize, Poser. You are quite strong, actually.
>
>
> - ScottHi Poser,
I don't believe that anyone thinks that hurt feelings are taken more seriously than your condition. I certainly don't.
I've read your posts and I'm sorry for all you're going through. I can't imagine your pain. You're here, which means you haven't given up, and I agree with Scott that you're stronger than you think you are.
Thank you for telling your story; I'm paying close attention, and I hope it means something to you that you have helped me by listing the meds you've been on along with your diagnoses. I know you don't believe that a psychiatrist can help you, so I won't interject, but I do believe that help is out there, and that you can find it if you persevere. I'll say it again, that I believe you are stronger than you think you are.
- Laura
Posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2013, at 18:04:05
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 2, 2013, at 12:39:41
Hi Laura you are an incredible person and Mother to Taylor. How lucky she is to have you for a Mom.
And I feel you are a very forgiving person. Seems many leave as a result of what happened to you here on your thread. Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on July 2, 2013, at 18:54:58
In reply to Lou's apology-, posted by Lou PIlder on June 29, 2013, at 22:38:37
> My apology to anyone that thought that I used the word in question in relation to the poster that I responded to, laura, for that was not my intention.
> Lou
>So you mean it to apply to all who work with a physician to use medications to treat their children's mental health disorders, then? What do you mean by invoking the term "infanticide", albeit in your own Lounique spelling?
Posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 6:29:55
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 2, 2013, at 18:04:05
Hi Phillipa,
I can certainly forgive and move on. I extend the same forgiveness I wish to receive in return. Besides, I was just getting acclimated here. I feel that I can find the help I need here, as well as help others with my years of being a psychiatric patient myself.
I don't feel like such a great mom right now. I just took Taylor to her intake for new pdoc. She spoke with a therapist there so we could give all of Taylor's history. When it came to the question of "trauma", Taylor looked at me, and I knew it was time for me to leave so she could speak about her childhood, and whatever it is that she still holds onto today.
I wanted to mention it before, but I'm a recovering alcoholic, and I was not always there for Taylor the way she needed me. I didn't drink all that often, but when I did I was mean or stupid. I was self medicating nearly all my life. Taylor witnessed fights between myself and her father - things she shouldn't have seen. I want her to open up about this, but since this whole process began, she hasn't really opened up to me - only therapists to whom she felt comfortable with.
I find myself very depressed right now. For the past couple of days, I've woken up and have just not wanted to be here. My physical pain is ridiculous again lately - it's difficult to move past that. I don't know it it's situational, because to be frank, my life sucks. I may need to look at my meds again - does anyone know if Cymbalta has the "prozac effect" where it just stops working?? If I even care later, I should probably post a new thread about this.
Thanks - Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 13:46:54
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 6:29:55
> I find myself very depressed right now. For the past couple of days, I've woken up and have just not wanted to be here. My physical pain is ridiculous again lately - it's difficult to move past that. I don't know it it's situational, because to be frank, my life sucks. I may need to look at my meds again - does anyone know if Cymbalta has the "prozac effect" where it just stops working?? If I even care later, I should probably post a new thread about this.
I shouldn't post when I haven't slept. My life doesn't suck; I'm just stressed out. Showed my bi-polarity there.... many apologies
- Laura
Posted by poser938 on July 3, 2013, at 18:19:41
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 13:46:54
I'm not sure if you're still wondering, but why couldn't Cymbalta have the same effect Prozac can have in that it could just stop working.
Many medicines can stop working, and this includes psychiatric meds. When causing an unnatural increase in neurotransmitters like serotonin r norepinephrine, over time the brain makes compensatory changes to regulate itself back to normal. It might decrease the amount of neurotransmitters it naturally synthesized before you started taking the medication, Decrease the amount of receptors that receive those neurotransmitters or god knows what.
Posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 19:05:42
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 3, 2013, at 18:19:41
> I'm not sure if you're still wondering, but why couldn't Cymbalta have the same effect Prozac can have in that it could just stop working.
> Many medicines can stop working, and this includes psychiatric meds. When causing an unnatural increase in neurotransmitters like serotonin r norepinephrine, over time the brain makes compensatory changes to regulate itself back to normal. It might decrease the amount of neurotransmitters it naturally synthesized before you started taking the medication, Decrease the amount of receptors that receive those neurotransmitters or god knows what.
>Hi,
Yes, I'm still wondering. You said, "over time the brain makes compensatory changes to regulate itself back to normal" Do you know if this occurs with all antidepressants, or rather is this the general consensus? I think I need to get further information, and probably post a new thread concerning meds I'm taking.
Thanks for your input.
- Laura
Posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:34:43
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » poser938, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 19:05:42
It is my impression that the SSRIs are more prone to poop-out than are other types of antidepressants. Paroxetine (Paxil) might be the most problematic. I can't be sure, though. When paroxetine works, it can be magical. It is great for both depression and anxiety disorders. I do wonder, though, if it might not set one up for treatment-reisistence - a sort of cross-tolerance. I think most doctors go with Lexapro as a first choice. I like the idea of going with Pristiq as a second choice. I can afford to be wrong, though. I'm not a doctor.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on July 3, 2013, at 6:29:55
Laura forgive yourself. Luckily Taylor has a therapist she feels comfortable to talk too. Also for me Cymbalta did work for pain for me. Only took for two months 60mgs. I should have stayed on it as only when went off it did I realize had back pain. Phillipa
Posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:57:38
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:34:43
> It is my impression that the SSRIs are more prone to poop-out than are other types of antidepressants. Paroxetine (Paxil) might be the most problematic. I can't be sure, though. When paroxetine works, it can be magical. It is great for both depression and anxiety disorders. I do wonder, though, if it might not set one up for treatment-reisistence - a sort of cross-tolerance.
I should mention that paroxetine should not be taken during pregnancy.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 4, 2013, at 9:30:49
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by SLS on July 3, 2013, at 20:57:38
> > It is my impression that the SSRIs are more prone to poop-out than are other types of antidepressants. Paroxetine (Paxil) might be the most problematic. I can't be sure, though. When paroxetine works, it can be magical. It is great for both depression and anxiety disorders. I do wonder, though, if it might not set one up for treatment-reisistence - a sort of cross-tolerance.
>
> I should mention that paroxetine should not be taken during pregnancy.
>
>
> - ScottThanks Scott,
Although I don't see it yet, I'm looking for signs that Zoloft may have run its course for Taylor. A friend's daughter had been on several different antidepressants before a good one was found. She would notice that the med would peak at 6 weeks or so, but after that depression would return. It doesn't really makes sense to me, as I thought these meds needed time to "build the receptors" which made the serotonin work to begin with. I also understand that everyone responds differently.
As for my own meds, I'm going to start a new thread.
Thanks - Laura
Posted by laurah952 on July 4, 2013, at 9:58:46
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
Laura forgive yourself. Luckily Taylor has a therapist she feels comfortable to talk too. Also for me Cymbalta did work for pain for me. Only took for two months 60mgs. I should have stayed on it as only when went off it did I realize had back pain. Phillipa
Hi Phillipa,
I'm working on it. Yes, Taylor has established an excellent rapport with her therapist.
I ran out of Cymbalta 60mg a while ago, (darn those snail mail prescription pharmacies) and although back on track for maybe 2 weeks, I don't think it's enough for the depression. As for the pain, Lyrica does the job for me.
Thank you - Laura
Posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 19:30:31
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Phillipa on July 3, 2013, at 20:49:09
All these are experiences from people writing about a Med that stopped working for them. It seems like any type of ,medicine could stop working for anyone.
In my situation, 2 meds that had a benefit on me from the beginning of taking them were Adderall and Mirapex. They helped for a bit over a month and then stopped working. When they stopped working, my mental condition became much worse than before I started taking the medicine.
Remember, the human brain is probably the most complicated thing in the universe. I believe anything can be expected when
attempting to do amateur work on it with a man-made pill based on a hypothesis about what is causing the flaw in emotional functioning.http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Depression/Cymbalta-not-working-anymore/show/1339041
http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php?/topic/17405-zoloft-saved-me-then-it-stopped-working/
http://www.anxietyzone.com/index.php?topic=27404.0
http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-conditions/ritalin-stopped-working-help-plz-43128.html
Posted by Lamdage22 on July 6, 2013, at 8:12:32
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by poser938 on July 4, 2013, at 19:30:31
If shes truly classically bipolar, why not lithium and lamictal?
Posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by Lamdage22 on July 6, 2013, at 8:12:32
> If shes truly classically bipolar, why not lithium and lamictal?
Hi,
From what we've seen, she may have bi-polar II. I don't see manic highs, and her depression is pretty well controlled right now.
She does have some trouble sleeping, eating, and she states that her moods cycle mildly all day. The most severe cycling of moods happened when Seroquel was tapered. (IMO, too quickly) She remains on 25mg Seroquel (w/ the Zoloft 100) and hasn't been officially diagnosed w/ bi-polar yet. But that's the definition of bi-polar II, yes? Mood swings?
My own pdoc stated, when I mentioned my daughter, that if there are mood swings, there's definitely bi-polar to some degree. Would that be a true statement?
Thanks - Laura
Posted by SLS on July 6, 2013, at 12:47:43
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lamdage22, posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
> she states that her moods cycle mildly all day
> but that's the definition of bi-polar II, yes? Mood swings?
More likely - cyclothymia - especially at her age.
- Scott
Posted by Dinah on July 9, 2013, at 8:13:15
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lamdage22, posted by laurah952 on July 6, 2013, at 11:11:42
I've heard that depression in teens can take the form of mood swings. That depressed teens aren't necessarily depressed all the time. That they can feel ok, and then have bouts of feeling really depressed - sometimes for no reason at all. All within the same day.
Maybe it has something to do with hormonal instability of adolescence?
If the highs aren't really all that high, it might not actually mean bipolar. A good adolescent psychiatrist is probably the best person to keep an eye on it, and tell the difference. Especially if there's a strong family history.
My own memory of adolescent depression was one of constant misery. But it might just be that that's what I remember.
Posted by laurah952 on July 11, 2013, at 11:29:49
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » laurah952, posted by Dinah on July 9, 2013, at 8:13:15
> I've heard that depression in teens can take the form of mood swings. That depressed teens aren't necessarily depressed all the time. That they can feel ok, and then have bouts of feeling really depressed - sometimes for no reason at all. All within the same day.
>
> Maybe it has something to do with hormonal instability of adolescence?
>
> If the highs aren't really all that high, it might not actually mean bipolar. A good adolescent psychiatrist is probably the best person to keep an eye on it, and tell the difference. Especially if there's a strong family history.
>
> My own memory of adolescent depression was one of constant misery. But it might just be that that's what I remember.Hi,
I've certainly considered that, and hope that it's the cause or part of the cause of her depression/mood swings. Her inability to stop cutting, and her all consuming thoughts and secret plans of fail proof suicide made me think otherwise, however, she is now much happier, outgoing, and hasn't cut in weeks. She has a new child pdoc, and I don't think I will add anymore meds to her zoloft (she'll be off seroquel soon) and we'll see how she does. If she holds steady with only minor mood swings (which could be normal adolescent moods) we may taper off zoloft slowly. I have 2 older girls who went through this (not to the same degree) at the same age, and they're fine now. (only 1 was medicated for a short time) I just have to wait and watch her closely.
Thanks - Laura
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 6:19:01
In reply to Re: 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP, posted by laurah952 on June 28, 2013, at 22:42:57
> > > Apparently, you continue to be given the posting privileges that allow you to express on this forum your opinions.
> > >
> > > I reset the subject line.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > I suggest babbler's petition Dr. Bob to revoke his posting privledges.
>
>
> Thank you Scott - I'm just... well, there aren't words - If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back. I came here for help, and I'm being called a murderer - my own child... just sickens me...
>
> Laura
>Laurah and friends,
Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing. Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants, which are new-borns. There is not a new-born in this discussion here, so the word has nothing to do with the poster. What was in question is Mr Hsiung' TOS here that states that he wants readers to try to trust him in that he does what in his thinking will be good for this community as a whole. That statement is thousands of years old and was used by those States that had infanticide as their policy. They argued that by killing infants at birth that they thought would be a hardship to them, that in the future their state would be better. They argued that they were doing what {will be} good for their community as a whole. It is this argument that history records that I am prevented from posting about here due to prohibitions posted to me here by Mr Hsiung.
Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying. These tactics are as ancient as infanticide. I know what they are and I do not want you to be misled in believeing that my efforts to save lives here should in any way be discrded by you when you see lies about me and what is said about me here. Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number, and the death toll will increase as the advertising of these drugs increses,if more people will be persuaded to take them. And worse than that, I am prevented by Mr Hsiung's prohibitions to me here to post what IMHHHHO could save your life and the lives of children. By this information from me being supressed, readers here can not be informed by me with the facts that I could post here if there were not the prohibitions. This could lead to a more uninformed population here, and it could then lead to an indictrination where readers are uninformed of what I could reveal to them. And it is so easy to persuade the uninformed.
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 8:00:53
In reply to Lou's response-phalz » laurah952, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 6:19:01
Lou Pilder garners the respect that he deserves as the result of the words he posts.
> Laurah and friends,
> Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
> Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing.Where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?
"Lou's response-ihnphanticyde » laurah952 Lou Pilder 6/28/13"
ihnphanticyde = infanticide?
You directed this message to laurah952.
> Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
Yes. This is the risk anyone runs whenever they post a message.
> The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants
This is disinformation designed to cover-up your uncivil behavior. The word "infanticide" can apply to a single person. That not withstanding, you changed the subject line to inject your name and a poorly-encrypted representation of this word and directed this message towards laurah952. Her conclusion that you were directing the word "infanticide" at her personally was perfectly reasonable.
> Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying.
Yes. I occasionally like to use one's own words against them as a tactic.
> These tactics are as ancient as infanticide.
This sentence is just another tactic on your part designed to obfuscate the fact that you directed the letter sequence, "ihnphanticyde", towards laurah952 specifically.
As usual, you use the 42,000 number to infer cause and effect. Your statements are always successfully refuted in this forum.
You have demonstrated once again that your apologies are disingenuous.
"Lou's apology- Lou PIlder 6/29/13"
Perhaps you can direct your apology to laurah952 personally.
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 9:40:58
In reply to 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 8:00:53
> Lou Pilder garners the respect that he deserves as the result of the words he posts.
>
> > Laurah and friends,
> > Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
> > Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing.
>
> Where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?
>
> "Lou's response-ihnphanticyde » laurah952 Lou Pilder 6/28/13"
>
> ihnphanticyde = infanticide?
>
> You directed this message to laurah952.
>
> > Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
>
> Yes. This is the risk anyone runs whenever they post a message.
>
> > The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants
>
> This is disinformation designed to cover-up your uncivil behavior. The word "infanticide" can apply to a single person. That not withstanding, you changed the subject line to inject your name and a poorly-encrypted representation of this word and directed this message towards laurah952. Her conclusion that you were directing the word "infanticide" at her personally was perfectly reasonable.
>
> > Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying.
>
> Yes. I occasionally like to use one's own words against them as a tactic.
>
> > These tactics are as ancient as infanticide.
>
> This sentence is just another tactic on your part designed to obfuscate the fact that you directed the letter sequence, "ihnphanticyde", towards laurah952 specifically.
>
> As usual, you use the 42,000 number to infer cause and effect. Your statements are always successfully refuted in this forum.
>
> You have demonstrated once again that your apologies are disingenuous.
>
> "Lou's apology- Lou PIlder 6/29/13"
>
> Perhaps you can direct your apology to laurah952 personally.
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
Scott wrote,[...where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?...].
The word infanticide concerns the killing of *infants*, usually at birth. An infant is not the subjet ot the thread involved.
If someone does not understand what a word means, that is something that is of another aspect here. I apologise for anyone that is ignorant of the meaning of the word as to if they thought erroneously about it in this case, for it was not my intention for the word to fall on those minds that were ignorant of the meaning of the word. I was not directing the coded word to anyone, for it is a code for my cataloging of posts here. It belongs in the aspect of that I am prevented from posting here what IMHHHO could save lives and the lives of children due to the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung. His argument is that what he does {will be} good for this community as a whole as in his TOS here. That is the same argument used by states to commit infanticide. As to if or if not infanticide was good for that state that practiced it, the children still were killed. I value life as a higher priority that if what Mr Hsiung does here will be good for this community as a whole. And I will fight the good fight myself if I have to, for children and adults to have all the facts known to them so that they do not have to blindly follow the leader in the hope that the community will be better by trusting someone that supresses my speech, speech that I think could mark the difference between life and death if the prohibitions were not made to me here. Good for the community as a whole? I want it to be good for the child and the adult, and for the child to live, and for the adult to live, and I think THAT wikll be good for this community as a whole, my friends.We do not know in the future as to what Mr Hsiung does here will or will not be good for this community as a whole. Time will be the judge of that. And what good could come to this site if one child, or one adult, dies from these drugs promoted here and could have lived if they were allowed to hear me?
Lou
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 12:27:55
In reply to Lou's reply-gudphoarhu? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 9:40:58
Oops. I apologize. Good for you. You got me on the word "infanticide" as it applies to the initiator of this thread. It was a lapse of logic on my part. A 14 year old is obviously not an infant. It is interesting that most people reacted the way she and I did. Unfortunately, I am too conditioned by you so as to expect that your posts will exaggerate, over-generalize, accuse, and promote disinformation.
I'll try to be more careful.
> "Whatever is said about me here does not annul the fact that these drugs promoted here for even children to take, still killed 42,000 people last year alone, as the generally accepted number"
Next time, perhaps you could properly quote the verbiage used by your source and cite the webpage on which it appears so that we can examine its content. It has been awhile since I looked at it. I could then respond accordingly.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 14:02:18
In reply to Lou's reply-gudphoarhu? » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 9:40:58
Quoting Mercola is not sufficient. You need to supply the scientific evidence that Mercola uses to support his pronouncements.
- Scott
Posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:30:52
In reply to Lou's response-phalz » laurah952, posted by Lou Pilder on July 18, 2013, at 6:19:01
Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing. Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
Really?? Are we still on this? You put the term "infanticide" right next to my name when you changed the thread header. You're a mean-spirited moron for that... no matter the meaning (and we all know what it means anyway) Do you have nothing else to do?????I just have to laugh when you say that I could harm your reputation, or decrease the respect or regard to which you believe you're held. I don't believe that's possible.. Leave me the hell alone.
Posted by laurah952 on July 18, 2013, at 16:33:43
In reply to 14yo daughter - bi-polar, not MDD - new info HELP » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on July 18, 2013, at 8:00:53
> Lou Pilder garners the respect that he deserves as the result of the words he posts.
>
> > Laurah and friends,
> > Laurah wrote,[...If Lou is allowed to post here, I will not be back...I'm being called a murderer-my own child...].
> > Laurah has posted a false statement about me here, for I have not called her any such thing.
>
> Where do you suppose she got this idea from? The subject line, perhaps?
>
> "Lou's response-ihnphanticyde » laurah952 Lou Pilder 6/28/13"
>
> ihnphanticyde = infanticide?
>
> You directed this message to laurah952.
>
> > Her statement could harm my reputation and decrease the respect, regard or confidence in which I am held,and induce disparging, hostile , or disagreeable opinions or feelings against me.
>
> Yes. This is the risk anyone runs whenever they post a message.
>
> > The word "infanticide" is a {policy} that a country has to kill infants
>
> This is disinformation designed to cover-up your uncivil behavior. The word "infanticide" can apply to a single person. That not withstanding, you changed the subject line to inject your name and a poorly-encrypted representation of this word and directed this message towards laurah952. Her conclusion that you were directing the word "infanticide" at her personally was perfectly reasonable.
>
> > Parents, there are tactics to get people to discard what another person is saying.
>
> Yes. I occasionally like to use one's own words against them as a tactic.
>
> > These tactics are as ancient as infanticide.
>
> This sentence is just another tactic on your part designed to obfuscate the fact that you directed the letter sequence, "ihnphanticyde", towards laurah952 specifically.
>
> As usual, you use the 42,000 number to infer cause and effect. Your statements are always successfully refuted in this forum.
>
> You have demonstrated once again that your apologies are disingenuous.
>
> "Lou's apology- Lou PIlder 6/29/13"
>
> Perhaps you can direct your apology to laurah952 personally.
>
>
> - ScottWell said, Scott, and thank you - Laura
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