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Posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 9:17:39
In reply to Lou's reply-nervgaz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 23, 2012, at 22:45:29
> Scott,
> You wrote that you think that I failed to give information concerning Saphris. The information that I gave was that Saphris has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's. You have asked me for more information concerning the words seen in that post in another thread.
> In order to have more information concerning the gas used in riot control in the 50's, I would like to start with Benzene.
> Benzene usually comes from coal tar or petroleum. You can hydroxylate benzene and get {phenol}. From phenol you can get {phenyl}.
> Now benzene can cause leukemia and other cancers and break chromosomes. Benzene is used in a lot of manufacturing of products including rubber, pesticides, drugs and explosives.
> Benzene is cancerous when breathed in the air. Benzene can also be injested and cause cancer and death. Benzene rings can be chemically coupled.
> Benzene was discoverd hundreds of years ago. The toxic properties and the carcinogenic properties of benzene were not proven until the early 1900's
Lou.. Your logic seems to be that if a substance, or any substances that can be derived from it, can, under any circumstance (no matter how improbable), be misused or combined with other substances unrelated to the drug in question to cause ill effect on a human, then that original substance in all its forms and under all circumstances must be avoided. Otherwise, you seem to believe that continuing to use a medication that has a 'constituent' that could be misused is the equivalent of the administrator of that substance causing the death and/or life-ruination of another human being, which of course is particularly heinous if it's a parent administering the medication with the offending 'constituent' to a child.That seems to be your thought process, in a nutshell, based on the link you created above between the anti-psychotic Saphris and riot nerve gas used in the 1950's.
Using your logical process, check this out: For the past 20 years, all the rage has been that we all need to drink a whole lot more water. It's healthy. The benefits can help us moderate our weight, rid of of toxins, it's a heck of a lot better than soft drinks, etc., just all kinds of great things about drinking water - especially More water. However, did you know that drinking water also puts you at risk for death or a life-ruining condition. It could even be used for genocide.
If you drink too much water, called water-intoxication, it overwhelms the delicate balance of solutes and electrolytes. The first signs of water-intoxication usually show up in the brain. The cells become swollen with water due to the imbalance of electrolytes, causing intracranial pressure. After negatively impacting personality and behavior, it can escalate into bradycardia and widened pulse pressure. Left to follow its course, brain cells swell to the point that it interrupts blood flow... creating cerebral edema... which causes pressure to the brain stem... which causes central nervous system dysfunction... which can result in seizures, brain damage, coma or death.
When I was a young mother, an acquaintance had newborn twins and two older children - all born within four years. She was overwhelmed... but very health-conscious. Had her babies (even the twins!) at home.. a real 'flower girl' type. Anyway, this is when "Drink More Water" was the mantra. She took it to heart, it made perfect sense to her. Plus, she saw a way that she could not only ensure her babies were healthy - but she could lighten the financial stress she was under. She started cutting her babies' formula in half. Half formula, half water. The babies were under a year old. Of course, their body screamed for nutrients, so they sucked those bottles dry and cried for more. My friend commented that they are now drinking twice the number of bottles, but she felt good about them getting so much water. She was very proud of what seemed like such an ingenious way to increase the health of her babies. Eventually her pediatrician found out and hospitalized the babies because they were approaching water poisoning. Whod'a thunk??
Yeah.. although H2O is regarded as the least toxic chemical compound, and although life cannot exist without it, if you drink too much, or if you fill your lung volume with it, you are likely to cause death or a life-ruining condition.
Water could conceivably be used by a mother to accidentally cause the death of her children, like my acquaintance from long ago. If the Nazi's had used "water chambers" rather than gas chambers to kill millions of innocent lives, would you take a stand against water? So.. should I eliminate Saphris AND water from my daughter's diet? That way I could save her from a 'constituent' in Saphris that has a disjointed link to nerve gas, and save her from the possibility of water poisoning as well.
Now Lou.. I would really like to see you go on a campaign with the same conviction you use for other chemical compounds that can (if misused) cause death or a life-ruining condition, and make that same argument that we should abandon water drinking, and especially should not make water available to our children. And actually, due to their body mass, under the age of 1 they are particularly vulnerable to water poisoning (which is why my friend's twins were hospitalized).
What you do here with medications (or a 'constituent' of a medication) makes just as much sense.
> I intend to finish this unless the rule of 3 applies.
? You sure didn't worry about the rule of 3 when you disruptively posted on my thread.. I can't imagine why you would suddenly worry about it on your own thread.
And let me say this very clearly: You are welcome on threads I start if you are contributing supportive or constructive information that is relevant to the purpose of my thread. I can accept one post on my thread where you express your concern about medications.. but not more than one. It's a problem when you respond to every single person's post with the same goal of communicating your intense feelings about the dangers of medications. One per thread is sufficient. I may very well post questions asking about a medication's side effects, but please don't interpret that to mean that I am soliciting information about the dangers involved in a a particular component of a chemical compound that can also be found in coal which was used to cause fires that burned down a town. I think you're a lot more savvy than you might appear, and I have no doubt that you really do understand what I'm soliciting in my posts, and your primary purpose is to defeat the thread by drowning it in nonsense and irrelevant data that supports the primary agenda you carry around in your heart. Create your own threads to deal with that, and please avoid involving yourself in mine, unless you have input that is useful, experiential, constructive and supportive.
Thanks
Solstice
Posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 9:56:30
In reply to Lou's reply-nervgaz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 23, 2012, at 22:45:29
Sorry... When I originally posted this, I thought it was going to Lou's Little Shoppe thread, and didn't realize it was in the wrong place until after it was sent. So.. I'm re-posting it here, where it belongs:
Posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 9:17:39In reply to Lou's reply-nervgaz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 23, 2012, at 22:45:29
> Scott,
> You wrote that you think that I failed to give information concerning Saphris. The information that I gave was that Saphris has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's. You have asked me for more information concerning the words seen in that post in another thread.
> In order to have more information concerning the gas used in riot control in the 50's, I would like to start with Benzene.
> Benzene usually comes from coal tar or petroleum. You can hydroxylate benzene and get {phenol}. From phenol you can get {phenyl}.
> Now benzene can cause leukemia and other cancers and break chromosomes. Benzene is used in a lot of manufacturing of products including rubber, pesticides, drugs and explosives.
> Benzene is cancerous when breathed in the air. Benzene can also be injested and cause cancer and death. Benzene rings can be chemically coupled.
> Benzene was discoverd hundreds of years ago. The toxic properties and the carcinogenic properties of benzene were not proven until the early 1900's
Lou.. Your logic seems to be that if a substance, or any substances that can be derived from it, can, under any circumstance (no matter how improbable), be misused or combined with other substances unrelated to the drug in question to cause ill effect on a human, then that original substance in all its forms and under all circumstances must be avoided. Otherwise, you seem to believe that continuing to use a medication that has a 'constituent' that could be misused is the equivalent of the administrator of that substance causing the death and/or life-ruination of another human being, which of course is particularly heinous if it's a parent administering the medication with the offending 'constituent' to a child.That seems to be your thought process, in a nutshell, based on the link you created above between the anti-psychotic Saphris and riot nerve gas used in the 1950's.
Using your logical process, check this out: For the past 20 years, all the rage has been that we all need to drink a whole lot more water. It's healthy. The benefits can help us moderate our weight, rid of of toxins, it's a heck of a lot better than soft drinks, etc., just all kinds of great things about drinking water - especially More water. However, did you know that drinking water also puts you at risk for death or a life-ruining condition. It could even be used for genocide.
If you drink too much water, called water-intoxication, it overwhelms the delicate balance of solutes and electrolytes. The first signs of water-intoxication usually show up in the brain. The cells become swollen with water due to the imbalance of electrolytes, causing intracranial pressure. After negatively impacting personality and behavior, it can escalate into bradycardia and widened pulse pressure. Left to follow its course, brain cells swell to the point that it interrupts blood flow... creating cerebral edema... which causes pressure to the brain stem... which causes central nervous system dysfunction... which can result in seizures, brain damage, coma or death.
When I was a young mother, an acquaintance had newborn twins and two older children - all born within four years. She was overwhelmed... but very health-conscious. Had her babies (even the twins!) at home.. a real 'flower girl' type. Anyway, this is when "Drink More Water" was the mantra. She took it to heart, it made perfect sense to her. Plus, she saw a way that she could not only ensure her babies were healthy - but she could lighten the financial stress she was under. She started cutting her babies' formula in half. Half formula, half water. The babies were under a year old. Of course, their body screamed for nutrients, so they sucked those bottles dry and cried for more. My friend commented that they are now drinking twice the number of bottles, but she felt good about them getting so much water. She was very proud of what seemed like such an ingenious way to increase the health of her babies. Eventually her pediatrician found out and hospitalized the babies because they were approaching water poisoning. Whod'a thunk??
Yeah.. although H2O is regarded as the least toxic chemical compound, and although life cannot exist without it, if you drink too much, or if you fill your lung volume with it, you are likely to cause death or a life-ruining condition.
Water could conceivably be used by a mother to accidentally cause the death of her children, like my acquaintance from long ago. If the Nazi's had used "water chambers" rather than gas chambers to kill millions of innocent lives, would you take a stand against water? So.. should I eliminate Saphris AND water from my daughter's diet? That way I could save her from a 'constituent' in Saphris that has a disjointed link to nerve gas, and save her from the possibility of water poisoning as well.
Now Lou.. I would really like to see you go on a campaign with the same conviction you use for other chemical compounds that can (if misused) cause death or a life-ruining condition, and make that same argument that we should abandon water drinking, and especially should not make water available to our children. And actually, due to their body mass, under the age of 1 they are particularly vulnerable to water poisoning (which is why my friend's twins were hospitalized).
What you do here with medications (or a 'constituent' of a medication) makes just as much sense.
> I intend to finish this unless the rule of 3 applies.
? You sure didn't worry about the rule of 3 when you disruptively posted on my thread.. I can't imagine why you would suddenly worry about it on your own thread.
And let me say this very clearly: You are welcome on threads I start if you are contributing supportive or constructive information that is relevant to the purpose of my thread. I can accept one post on my thread where you express your concern about medications.. but not more than one. It's a problem when you respond to every single person's post with the same goal of communicating your intense feelings about the dangers of medications. One per thread is sufficient. I may very well post questions asking about a medication's side effects, but please don't interpret that to mean that I am soliciting information about the dangers involved in a a particular component of a chemical compound that can also be found in coal which was used to cause fires that burned down a town. I think you're a lot more savvy than you might appear, and I have no doubt that you really do understand what I'm soliciting in my posts, and your primary purpose is to defeat the thread by drowning it in nonsense and irrelevant data that supports the primary agenda you carry around in your heart. Create your own threads to deal with that, and please avoid involving yourself in mine, unless you have input that is useful, experiential, constructive and supportive.
Thanks
Solstice
Posted by SLS on February 24, 2012, at 12:41:05
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-nervgaz » Lou Pilder, posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 9:56:30
Water (H2O) can kill you because it can blow up and catch fire. You see, it has hydrogen and oxygen in it. This is what NASA uses for its rocket fuel. You better stop drinking it.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 24, 2012, at 12:45:03
In reply to Scott's response » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on February 22, 2012, at 4:58:22
> I probably won't make a habit out of changing the subject line along your threads so as to include my name. I just wanted to see how it looked.
I have chosen to continue changing subject lines here in protest of Lou's continuing to do the same along other people's threads.
- Scott
Posted by sigismund on February 24, 2012, at 12:53:59
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-nervgaz » Lou Pilder, posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 9:56:30
Water chambers were used, somewhere in France after the French Revolution, Holland and Russia.
As if there is not enough to complain about in actual use of psych drugs.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 24, 2012, at 13:42:12
In reply to Lou's reply-nervgaz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 23, 2012, at 22:45:29
>I intend to finish this unless the rule of 3 applies.
Err, well how about just giving us all the information in one post?
Posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 14:57:08
In reply to Scott's post to Solstice » Solstice, posted by SLS on February 24, 2012, at 12:41:05
> Water (H2O) can kill you because it can blow up and catch fire. You see, it has hydrogen and oxygen in it. This is what NASA uses for its rocket fuel. You better stop drinking it.
>
>
> - Scott
Alright. That does it. I am swearing off water.. it's got not one, but TWO 'constituents' in it that are used to cause explosions. That just proves there is probably a conspiracy of evil people behind all the water bottle manufactures.. they just want to watch us all suddenly blow up when we're least expecting it. Could be life-ruinous, or cause my death. Dang. Nope.. No more water for me!Solstice
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2012, at 16:49:05
In reply to Lou's reply-nervgaz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 23, 2012, at 22:45:29
Friends,
There is a post in another thread that I am requesting to be redirected to this thread.
In that post, there is a typo that should read:
{A lot} of different drugs have the same active matabolite
Lou
Posted by papillon2 on February 24, 2012, at 18:41:29
In reply to Scott's post to Solstice » Solstice, posted by SLS on February 24, 2012, at 12:41:05
> Water (H2O) can kill you because it can blow up and catch fire. You see, it has hydrogen and oxygen in it. This is what NASA uses for its rocket fuel. You better stop drinking it.
>
>
> - Scott
Even more dangerous is dihydrogen monoxide:
http://www.dhmo.org/"Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol."
Truly dangerous stuff.
Posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 19:14:18
In reply to Papillon's response to Solstice + SLS, posted by papillon2 on February 24, 2012, at 18:41:29
Hi Papi..
Scott and I were being cheeky ;-)
It may have gotten disjointed.. hard to follow... but my daughter just started taking Saphris and I've been on here seeking information. Lou offered the grave warning that Saphris has a chemical 'constituent' that was also used in riot gas in the 50's. So.. one thing led to another.. and it quickly became clear that using Lou's logic for objecting to Saphris, we are all in danger of being blown up or poisoned to death if we drink water.
But... I'll seriously be sure to do what I can to stay away from that DHMO stuff :-)
Solstice
> > Water (H2O) can kill you because it can blow up and catch fire. You see, it has hydrogen and oxygen in it. This is what NASA uses for its rocket fuel. You better stop drinking it.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
>
> Even more dangerous is dihydrogen monoxide:
> http://www.dhmo.org/
>
> "Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the highly reactive hydroxyl radical, a species shown to mutate DNA, denature proteins, disrupt cell membranes, and chemically alter critical neurotransmitters. The atomic components of DHMO are found in a number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol."
>
> Truly dangerous stuff.
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on February 24, 2012, at 20:29:43
In reply to Lou's Little Shoppe, posted by Lou Pilder on February 21, 2012, at 20:30:44
a lot of that going around
yes
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2012, at 20:36:23
In reply to Lou's reply-nervgaz » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on February 23, 2012, at 22:45:29
> > > > I invite any feedback from anyone who has any info about Saphris!
> > > >
> > > > Solstice
> >
> > > Solstice,
> > You wrote,[...I invite any feedback from anyone...].
> > The subject here is the use of the drug {Saphris}.
> > The drug has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's.
> > Lou
> >
> > Lou Pilder.
> >
> > You posted this statement along another thread. The original poster had asked for info about Saphris. It is my contention that you failed to do this. I don't see any information. I see words. I challenge you to prove your words. If you cannot, you might want to apologize to the person to whom you directed it for posting misinformation.
> >
> > There is so much more to this.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
> >
>
> Scott,
> You wrote that you think that I failed to give information concerning Saphris. The information that I gave was that Saphris has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's. You have asked me for more information concerning the words seen in that post in another thread.
> In order to have more information concerning the gas used in riot control in the 50's, I would like to start with Benzene.
> Benzene usually comes from coal tar or petroleum. You can hydroxylate benzene and get {phenol}. From phenol you can get {phenyl}.
> Now benzene can cause leukemia and other cancers and break chromosomes. Benzene is used in a lot of manufacturing of products including rubber, pesticides, drugs and explosives.
> Benzene is cancerous when breathed in the air. Benzene can also be injested and cause cancer and death. Benzene rings can be chemically coupled.
> Benzene was discoverd hundreds of years ago. The toxic properties and the carcinogenic properties of benzene were not proven until the early 1900's
> I intend to finish this unless the rule of 3 applies.
> LouFriends,
What is Saphris? Where did it come from? What can it do to the one taking the drug? And other aspects.
Now after the riot control gas that was made in the 50's, there came a drug called Clozeril/Clozapine.
This drug killed many by attacking the blood to cause what is known as {agranulocytosis} which can be fatal. It also can cause diabetes, and a fatal cardic condition. There is a withdrawal from cessation which means that it could be considerd to be addictive depending on how you want to define addiction/withdrawal.
At any rate, the drug has many possible ways to kill the one taking it. This drug came out in the 70's.
Now we have {benzene} and {clozeril}. There are constituants in clozeril that are used in a gas for riot control devised in the 50's but used today in many countries.
Now I intend to contiue to go step by step to show what Saphris is constituted of , chemically that is. unless the rule of 3 applies.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2012, at 20:46:52
In reply to Lou's reply-klahzahpeen, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2012, at 20:36:23
> > > > > I invite any feedback from anyone who has any info about Saphris!
> > > > >
> > > > > Solstice
> > >
> > > > Solstice,
> > > You wrote,[...I invite any feedback from anyone...].
> > > The subject here is the use of the drug {Saphris}.
> > > The drug has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's.
> > > Lou
> > >
> > > Lou Pilder.
> > >
> > > You posted this statement along another thread. The original poster had asked for info about Saphris. It is my contention that you failed to do this. I don't see any information. I see words. I challenge you to prove your words. If you cannot, you might want to apologize to the person to whom you directed it for posting misinformation.
> > >
> > > There is so much more to this.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> > >
> >
> > Scott,
> > You wrote that you think that I failed to give information concerning Saphris. The information that I gave was that Saphris has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's. You have asked me for more information concerning the words seen in that post in another thread.
> > In order to have more information concerning the gas used in riot control in the 50's, I would like to start with Benzene.
> > Benzene usually comes from coal tar or petroleum. You can hydroxylate benzene and get {phenol}. From phenol you can get {phenyl}.
> > Now benzene can cause leukemia and other cancers and break chromosomes. Benzene is used in a lot of manufacturing of products including rubber, pesticides, drugs and explosives.
> > Benzene is cancerous when breathed in the air. Benzene can also be injested and cause cancer and death. Benzene rings can be chemically coupled.
> > Benzene was discoverd hundreds of years ago. The toxic properties and the carcinogenic properties of benzene were not proven until the early 1900's
> > I intend to finish this unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> What is Saphris? Where did it come from? What can it do to the one taking the drug? And other aspects.
> Now after the riot control gas that was made in the 50's, there came a drug called Clozeril/Clozapine.
> This drug killed many by attacking the blood to cause what is known as {agranulocytosis} which can be fatal. It also can cause diabetes, and a fatal cardic condition. There is a withdrawal from cessation which means that it could be considerd to be addictive depending on how you want to define addiction/withdrawal.
> At any rate, the drug has many possible ways to kill the one taking it. This drug came out in the 70's.
> Now we have {benzene} and {clozeril}. There are constituants in clozeril that are used in a gas for riot control devised in the 50's but used today in many countries.
> Now I intend to contiue to go step by step to show what Saphris is constituted of , chemically that is. unless the rule of 3 applies.
> LouFriends,
Here is a link to a site that lists the effects of Saphris to the one taking he drug.I would like for interested readers to look a this in relation to adverse effects listed.
Lou
http://www.drugs.com/pro/saphris.html
Posted by papillon2 on February 25, 2012, at 0:19:18
In reply to Re: Papillon's response to Solstice + SLS » papillon2, posted by Solstice on February 24, 2012, at 19:14:18
> Hi Papi..
>
> Scott and I were being cheeky ;-)
>
> It may have gotten disjointed.. hard to follow... but my daughter just started taking Saphris and I've been on here seeking information. Lou offered the grave warning that Saphris has a chemical 'constituent' that was also used in riot gas in the 50's. So.. one thing led to another.. and it quickly became clear that using Lou's logic for objecting to Saphris, we are all in danger of being blown up or poisoned to death if we drink water.
>
> But... I'll seriously be sure to do what I can to stay away from that DHMO stuff :-)
>
> SolsticeSo was I. Dihydrogen monoxide = another way to write hydrogen dioxide = water. The site is a spoof. ;-)
Posted by Solstice on February 25, 2012, at 2:15:10
In reply to Re: Papillon's response to Solstice + SLS, posted by papillon2 on February 25, 2012, at 0:19:18
>
> So was I. Dihydrogen monoxide = another way to write hydrogen dioxide = water. The site is a spoof. ;-)ha! so I guess my relative weakness in chemistry is showing... :-)
Sol
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 25, 2012, at 3:01:08
In reply to Re: Papillon's response to Solstice + SLS » papillon2, posted by Solstice on February 25, 2012, at 2:15:10
I've been thinking of cutting out all carbs, fat, protein and vitamins from my diet. All those hydrogen atoms are worrying, I might explode!
Those vitamin Bs are especially scary. The benzene ring in folic acid could cause liver, kidney, heart, lung, bone marrow and brain failure :O
Posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 6:12:20
In reply to Lou's request-pheytal, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2012, at 20:46:52
> Friends,
> Here is a link to a site that lists the effects of Saphris to the one taking he drug.I would like for interested readers to look a this in relation to adverse effects listed.
> Lou
> http://www.drugs.com/pro/saphris.htmlYup. Neuroleptics can be nasty drugs. They often give people back their lives, though. The neuroleptic I take causes in me weight gain and elevated triglycerides. These things are not very healthy, but are side effects I am more than willing to accept for the dramatic improvement in my quality of life the drug gives me. I do not suffer any of the other scary side effects listed.
When attempting to accurately evaluate the reported side effect profile of a drug, it is necessary to look at the frequency of occurrence of these effects by comparing the drug to placebo or the rate seen in the general population. The webpage you cite includes percentages of emergent side effects.
Rxlist uses charts:
http://www.rxlist.com/saphris-drug/side-effects-interactions.htm
Regarding the black box warning, people with Alzheimers Dementia seem to die at a higher rate when they take neuroleptic drugs related to Saphris, even though Saphris itself has not been reported to do so on Medline/Pubmed. Risperdal, haloperidol, chlorpromazine and trifluoperazine are the drugs that have received the most attention recently. These are relative old and high potency D2 agonist drugs. Not all antipsychotic medication carries the same risk of death in elderly populations. So, the warning is given for all members of the neuroleptic class of drugs out of prudence.
Neuroleptic antipsychotic drugs, when used in Alzheimers Dementia, doubles the risk of death from all causes after one year. Scientists don't know why yet. This is very sad. Still, in many cases, the benefits are deemed to outweigh the risks. Unfortunately, behavioral dyscontrol and psychosis are often present in Alzheimers patients.
When I blew out the candles for my fifth birthday, I didn't make a wish that I take neuroleptic antipsychotic drugs when I grew up.
- Scott
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 25, 2012, at 9:36:17
In reply to Re: Lou's request-pheytal » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 6:12:20
>The neuroleptic I take causes in me weight gain and elevated triglycerides. These things are not very healthy, but are side effects I am more than willing to accept for the dramatic improvement in my quality of life the drug gives me.
Hi Scott,
Do you take lipid-lowering medication?
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 25, 2012, at 9:41:12
In reply to Lou's request-pheytal, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2012, at 20:46:52
Friends,
If you are considering posting in this thread, I am requesting that you view the following video.
lou
To see this video;
A. Bring up Google
B. Type in:
[youtube, Antipsychotics or Neuroleptics, Dr Gary Kohls]
usually first
Posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 10:02:05
In reply to Triglycerides » SLS, posted by ed_uk2010 on February 25, 2012, at 9:36:17
> >The neuroleptic I take causes in me weight gain and elevated triglycerides. These things are not very healthy, but are side effects I am more than willing to accept for the dramatic improvement in my quality of life the drug gives me.
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Do you take lipid-lowering medication?Not yet. I have an appointment to see my GP on Monday. I am afraid to take Lovaza. My brain does not like fish oil. It makes my depression worse. I am thinking about taking OmegaBrite. It is fish oil with pure EPA and no DHA. I'm guessing that it is the DHA component of Carlson's fish oil that is responsible for the exacerbation of depression. Pure DHA can make one more depressed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20439549
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 25, 2012, at 10:14:23
In reply to Re: Triglycerides » ed_uk2010, posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 10:02:05
Nordic Naturals caused this new aggitation in me. I guess all are not meant to take it. I discontinued it and now it's gone so the fish oil. The compounding RX said it takes a month to develop the enzyme to benefit from it? Never heard this but it was about a month and aggitation. Guess it's not for all. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on February 25, 2012, at 11:07:49
In reply to Re: Triglycerides » ed_uk2010, posted by SLS on February 25, 2012, at 10:02:05
>Any suggestions?
Fibrate drugs are the most effective triglyceride lowering agents, but they don't have a great record in terms of preventing cardiovascular events. Statins have a lot more evidence to support their cardiac benefits, even though they aren't as reliable at lowering triglycerides. Statins are very effective at reducing cholesterol, but you don't have to have high cholesterol to benefit. If your doctor considers you to be at risk of cardiovascular disease, you could consider atorvastatin initially. Statins have been reported to cause psychiatric adverse effects in some patients. If that was to occur, a fibrate might be appropriate.
Have you tried orlistat (Xenical) as an aid to weight loss?
Posted by Elanor Roosevelt on February 25, 2012, at 20:24:38
In reply to Lou's request-lhvngdhed, posted by Lou Pilder on February 25, 2012, at 9:41:12
Friends, If you are going to continue to follow this thread I strongly suggest you take a moment to view this important video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjatRkpSa5U&feature=related
Thank you for your cooperation
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 27, 2012, at 20:28:57
In reply to Lou's request-pheytal, posted by Lou Pilder on February 24, 2012, at 20:46:52
> > > > > > I invite any feedback from anyone who has any info about Saphris!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Solstice
> > > >
> > > > > Solstice,
> > > > You wrote,[...I invite any feedback from anyone...].
> > > > The subject here is the use of the drug {Saphris}.
> > > > The drug has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's.
> > > > Lou
> > > >
> > > > Lou Pilder.
> > > >
> > > > You posted this statement along another thread. The original poster had asked for info about Saphris. It is my contention that you failed to do this. I don't see any information. I see words. I challenge you to prove your words. If you cannot, you might want to apologize to the person to whom you directed it for posting misinformation.
> > > >
> > > > There is so much more to this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Scott
> > > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > You wrote that you think that I failed to give information concerning Saphris. The information that I gave was that Saphris has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's. You have asked me for more information concerning the words seen in that post in another thread.
> > > In order to have more information concerning the gas used in riot control in the 50's, I would like to start with Benzene.
> > > Benzene usually comes from coal tar or petroleum. You can hydroxylate benzene and get {phenol}. From phenol you can get {phenyl}.
> > > Now benzene can cause leukemia and other cancers and break chromosomes. Benzene is used in a lot of manufacturing of products including rubber, pesticides, drugs and explosives.
> > > Benzene is cancerous when breathed in the air. Benzene can also be injested and cause cancer and death. Benzene rings can be chemically coupled.
> > > Benzene was discoverd hundreds of years ago. The toxic properties and the carcinogenic properties of benzene were not proven until the early 1900's
> > > I intend to finish this unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > What is Saphris? Where did it come from? What can it do to the one taking the drug? And other aspects.
> > Now after the riot control gas that was made in the 50's, there came a drug called Clozeril/Clozapine.
> > This drug killed many by attacking the blood to cause what is known as {agranulocytosis} which can be fatal. It also can cause diabetes, and a fatal cardic condition. There is a withdrawal from cessation which means that it could be considerd to be addictive depending on how you want to define addiction/withdrawal.
> > At any rate, the drug has many possible ways to kill the one taking it. This drug came out in the 70's.
> > Now we have {benzene} and {clozeril}. There are constituants in clozeril that are used in a gas for riot control devised in the 50's but used today in many countries.
> > Now I intend to contiue to go step by step to show what Saphris is constituted of , chemically that is. unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > Lou
>
> Friends,
> Here is a link to a site that lists the effects of Saphris to the one taking he drug.I would like for interested readers to look a this in relation to adverse effects listed.
> Lou
> http://www.drugs.com/pro/saphris.htmlFriends,
Now in relation to saphris, as to what the drug is and such, and what it can do to the taker of the drug, I would like to introduce in the expsition the drug known as {Fenfluramine}. Now another drug called {phentermine} combined with (fenfluramine), gives a drug called Phen-fen.
This drug has been taken off the market because of how it could cause heart disease and death. It also can cause agranulocytosis, which is a blood disease that can be fatal.
Now the drug Saphris activates in one way or another some of the same receptors as fenfluramine. So if you read the Saphris PI there could be the disclosure of possible agranulosis. In the clinical trials, there were many deaths. Now I have not talked about the phenethylamines yet, but I meantioned them in the thread concerning Effexor. I was posted by Mr. Hsiung during that thread a prohibition that precluded me from posting a lot of information that I think, if allowed to be seen here, could save lives or prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction. I could have that same preclusion here, that might also prevent me from posting what could save lives.
So I have posted about the riot control gas, and clozaril and now Fenfluramine.
So we have seen a little about this drug called Saphhris and I intend to complete this exposition, unless the rule of three applies.
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on February 27, 2012, at 20:54:23
In reply to Lou's request-fenfluramine, posted by Lou Pilder on February 27, 2012, at 20:28:57
> > > > > > > I invite any feedback from anyone who has any info about Saphris!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Solstice
> > > > >
> > > > > > Solstice,
> > > > > You wrote,[...I invite any feedback from anyone...].
> > > > > The subject here is the use of the drug {Saphris}.
> > > > > The drug has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's.
> > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou Pilder.
> > > > >
> > > > > You posted this statement along another thread. The original poster had asked for info about Saphris. It is my contention that you failed to do this. I don't see any information. I see words. I challenge you to prove your words. If you cannot, you might want to apologize to the person to whom you directed it for posting misinformation.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is so much more to this.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Scott
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott,
> > > > You wrote that you think that I failed to give information concerning Saphris. The information that I gave was that Saphris has a constituant in it that was used as a gas in riot control in the 50's. You have asked me for more information concerning the words seen in that post in another thread.
> > > > In order to have more information concerning the gas used in riot control in the 50's, I would like to start with Benzene.
> > > > Benzene usually comes from coal tar or petroleum. You can hydroxylate benzene and get {phenol}. From phenol you can get {phenyl}.
> > > > Now benzene can cause leukemia and other cancers and break chromosomes. Benzene is used in a lot of manufacturing of products including rubber, pesticides, drugs and explosives.
> > > > Benzene is cancerous when breathed in the air. Benzene can also be injested and cause cancer and death. Benzene rings can be chemically coupled.
> > > > Benzene was discoverd hundreds of years ago. The toxic properties and the carcinogenic properties of benzene were not proven until the early 1900's
> > > > I intend to finish this unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > > Lou
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > > What is Saphris? Where did it come from? What can it do to the one taking the drug? And other aspects.
> > > Now after the riot control gas that was made in the 50's, there came a drug called Clozeril/Clozapine.
> > > This drug killed many by attacking the blood to cause what is known as {agranulocytosis} which can be fatal. It also can cause diabetes, and a fatal cardic condition. There is a withdrawal from cessation which means that it could be considerd to be addictive depending on how you want to define addiction/withdrawal.
> > > At any rate, the drug has many possible ways to kill the one taking it. This drug came out in the 70's.
> > > Now we have {benzene} and {clozeril}. There are constituants in clozeril that are used in a gas for riot control devised in the 50's but used today in many countries.
> > > Now I intend to contiue to go step by step to show what Saphris is constituted of , chemically that is. unless the rule of 3 applies.
> > > Lou
> >
> > Friends,
> > Here is a link to a site that lists the effects of Saphris to the one taking he drug.I would like for interested readers to look a this in relation to adverse effects listed.
> > Lou
> > http://www.drugs.com/pro/saphris.html
>
> Friends,
> Now in relation to saphris, as to what the drug is and such, and what it can do to the taker of the drug, I would like to introduce in the expsition the drug known as {Fenfluramine}. Now another drug called {phentermine} combined with (fenfluramine), gives a drug called Phen-fen.
> This drug has been taken off the market because of how it could cause heart disease and death. It also can cause agranulocytosis, which is a blood disease that can be fatal.
> Now the drug Saphris activates in one way or another some of the same receptors as fenfluramine. So if you read the Saphris PI there could be the disclosure of possible agranulosis. In the clinical trials, there were many deaths. Now I have not talked about the phenethylamines yet, but I meantioned them in the thread concerning Effexor. I was posted by Mr. Hsiung during that thread a prohibition that precluded me from posting a lot of information that I think, if allowed to be seen here, could save lives or prevent a life-ruining condition or addiction. I could have that same preclusion here, that might also prevent me from posting what could save lives.
> So I have posted about the riot control gas, and clozaril and now Fenfluramine.
> So we have seen a little about this drug called Saphhris and I intend to complete this exposition, unless the rule of three applies.
> LouNow the effects that saphris has on the blood is common to other drugs that have the same or similar chemical make-up. A lot of those cause agranulocytosi , such as Clozaril, and some cause a similar life-threatening condition called neutropenia, which is concerning the neutrophils in the blood. What is omprtant to the taker of these class of drugs is that {fever} can happem that is indicating this potential fatal happening of neutropenia. So a fever could warn of this condtion that could cause death.
Lou
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