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Posted by morgan miller on August 13, 2010, at 20:09:34
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by sigismund on August 13, 2010, at 19:02:05
Magnesium Glycinate or Taurinate, Fish oil, Lots of exercise followed by meditative stretching, Yoga, Meditation, and most importantly, Psychodynamic individual and group therapy-you're sooooo young, you really have an opportunity here to get started on(getting to root cause of your anxiety) something that many people don't do till later in life and wish they had done earlier.
I would also look into some very effective herbs like Schisandra(Planetary Herbals), Holy Basil(New Chapter), Ashwagandha(Sensoril), Chavanprash, and Kira St. John's Wort(will take 1 to 2 months to work).
Then there are the amino acids GABA and L Theanine and Taurine(wouldn't use more than 500 mg a day).
A combination of many of these may give you some much needed relief.
I can't remeber, have you tried Lithium? You could just order some lithium orotate or aspartate and experiment with it.
I would come clean with your doc or get a new one.
Sorry your feeling so bad. Nineteen should not be like this. Hope you feel better soon!
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 13, 2010, at 22:24:13
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by sigismund on August 13, 2010, at 19:02:05
>Benzos for example can do this, while alleviating anxiety.
They can - but I imagine that antipsychotics are worse in this respect! Some doctors are far too keen to prescribe Seroquel.
Posted by sigismund on August 13, 2010, at 22:59:10
In reply to Re: I feel horrible » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 13, 2010, at 22:24:13
Doctors have always prescribed drugs with no abuse potential very easily with (IMO) no regard for anything else.
The only thing Dima says helped him was (I think) Adderal which makes you think quicker.
Moclobemide actually increased my verbal fluency at one quarter the usual starting dose.
Posted by Zyprexa on August 14, 2010, at 2:41:39
In reply to I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 13, 2010, at 13:31:35
I have the same problem. I think its anxiety. If I don't take zyprexa I am so anxious I can't leave the house or talk to anyone.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 14, 2010, at 9:05:03
In reply to Re: I feel horrible » ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on August 13, 2010, at 22:59:10
>Doctors have always prescribed drugs with no abuse potential very easily with (IMO) no regard for anything else.
I suppose it's because in the absence of abuse potential, patients are likely to be more honest about the effects of treatment. If the drug causes a bad reaction, they will stop taking it.
Once drugs of abuse are prescribed, some patients start to tell lies.
>Moclobemide actually increased my verbal fluency at one quarter the usual starting dose.
Moclobemide seems to be a drug which has modest benefits, but also modest side effects. I suppose that is not necessarily a bad thing.
Posted by Dima on August 14, 2010, at 16:23:46
In reply to Re: I feel horrible » Dima, posted by Zyprexa on August 14, 2010, at 2:41:39
I went to the ER for anxiety last night, and they ended up prescribing me Valium. Today, I took up to 10 mg and I still felt tense around people and in general. It made me feel more tired, though. Maybe it's not regular anxiety, but a non-drug-induced akathisia. That's what it feels like to me.
Posted by sigismund on August 14, 2010, at 18:46:30
In reply to Re: I feel horrible » sigismund, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 14, 2010, at 9:05:03
Ed, do you know of any studies correlating the prescription of drugs of abuse (opiates, opioids, cocaine, amphetamine) with socio-economic status?
Also, are you aware of studies about any correlation between medical malpractice and socio-economic status. (Stuff like unnecessary mastectomies on 90yo pensioners.)
It seems self evident to me that there is a policy of not wasting good drugs on the riffraff.
Posted by emmanuel98 on August 14, 2010, at 19:40:11
In reply to Re: I feel horrible » ed_uk2010, posted by sigismund on August 14, 2010, at 18:46:30
I know I was prescribed a drug of abuse 10 years ago and promptly started abusing it. Continued for five years. I don't know about socio-economic status, but I do think that, had I been younger, this would not have been prescribed. It would have been assumed I was lying or overstating my pain to get drugs.
Posted by Phillipa on August 14, 2010, at 19:51:26
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by emmanuel98 on August 14, 2010, at 19:40:11
Dima how are you feeling now? Takes a few days for valium to build up in your system. Phillipa
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 14, 2010, at 20:18:54
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 14, 2010, at 16:23:46
>I went to the ER for anxiety last night, and they ended up prescribing me Valium. Today, I took up to 10 mg and I still felt tense around people and in general. It made me feel more tired, though.
When anxiety is severe, benzos such as diazepam (Valium) often 'take the edge off'. Once you've worked yourself into a state, it can take a few days to calm down. Have you got a few days supply of diazepam? I think the diazepam is a good idea because you are obviously going through a crisis right now. Diazepam is recommended for short term use.
>Maybe it's not regular anxiety, but a non-drug-induced akathisia. That's what it feels like to me.
There are quite a few different types of anxiety. All the med changes which you have made recently make it difficult to know what the cause of your anxiety is. It could be a combination of your underlying condition, side effects, and withdrawal symptoms from recently stopped medication.
'Akathisia' normally refers to a neuroleptic-induced state of intense physical restlessness. High doses of potent neuroleptics such as haloperidol (Haldol) are the worst culprits for causing akathisia. Abilify seems to cause akathisia quite frequently. Abilify is a long-acting medication. It may take several days for the akathisia to wear off after stopping Abilify.
Posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 11:37:31
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 14, 2010, at 20:18:54
The anxiety I'm talking about is what I've been living with for years. It's around no matter what I'm doing. It doesn't have much to do with my actual thinking, I just feel uncomfortable in any and all situations.
Posted by morgan miller on August 15, 2010, at 12:51:39
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 11:37:31
> The anxiety I'm talking about is what I've been living with for years. It's around no matter what I'm doing. It doesn't have much to do with my actual thinking, I just feel uncomfortable in any and all situations.
That really sucks, I've experienced similar anxiety and still do.
Believe it or not, even though you are not consciously thinking about anything that is directly causing your anxiety, it is very possible that one of the main causes of your anxiety is something that you had been exposed to in your environment while developing, even as young as 2, 3, or 4 years old. Actually, when we don't get what we need or are exposed to stressful/traumatic conditions between the ages of 2 and 4(crucial ages in our development), our brains can be hard wired in a way that can affect our development and the way we feel the rest of our lives. Again, anxiety is often likely be something that exists in our being partly as a result of lack of proper nurture and exposure to traumatic or stressful events while we are developing. Not only could your brain be wired or have developed in such a way that makes you more prone to experiencing anxiety, you may also have some things going on in your subconscious mind that are causing anxiety. One of the only long term solutions to this is to get some good old therapy. The key is finding a highly educated, down to earth, likable, empathetic, and compassionate therapist.
Don't take this the wrong way, but since you are young, you may be more averse to the idea of going to therapy, doing some heavy lifting, and dealing with some of your inner anger and sadness. Most of us when we are young just want to feel good and have fun and not deal with anything. Being young also tends to be a time when we are more likely to use the most powerful of coping mechanisms, denial.
I do believe in using medication as I have used medication for a better feeling of well being for years. But, medication will only take you to a certain point. Therapy will take you further and help you give yourself what you need in order for optimal personal growth. Medication + Therapy = Best chance of full recovery and a meaningful life.
Morgan
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 15, 2010, at 13:45:56
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 11:37:31
> The anxiety I'm talking about is what I've been living with for years. It's around no matter what I'm doing. It doesn't have much to do with my actual thinking, I just feel uncomfortable in any and all situations.
Is diazepam helping at all? What dose are you taking?
Posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 17:57:53
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by ed_uk2010 on August 15, 2010, at 13:45:56
I didn't take it after I tried a 10 mg dose and only felt tired.
This definitely is not normal anxiety. There's a physical aspect to it. My muscles all feel tensed up even though I know they're relaxed. It's like restless leg syndrome all day with your whole body, which makes me incapable of focusing on anything, thus enjoying nothing.
Posted by morgan miller on August 15, 2010, at 18:37:31
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 17:57:53
> I didn't take it after I tried a 10 mg dose and only felt tired.
>
> This definitely is not normal anxiety. There's a physical aspect to it. My muscles all feel tensed up even though I know they're relaxed. It's like restless leg syndrome all day with your whole body, which makes me incapable of focusing on anything, thus enjoying nothing.Do you think you might be going through some sort of withdrawal? You were on Seroquel, right?
You already have anxiety to begin with, and now, after being on and off certain medications, your physiology may be going through an adjustment period.
I really wish you were open to taking some herbs, supplements/vitamins and medicinal mushrooms that might help you get through this. I will list some that I think might help.
Ashwagandha-great for me before bed
Schisandra-smooth relaxing energy
Chyavanprash-overall better feeling of well being
Holy Basil-New Chapter's-relaxing and uplifting
Magnesium-glycinate or taurinate
GABA
Poria cocas-mushroom-haven't tried yet
Cordyceps(love this one)-mushroom-2 to 3 grams
Reishi-mushroom-haven't tried yetYour system has temporarily been throw out of whack and you may need some things to help get you back to wellness.
Can you exercise? Are you able to eat well right now?
Also, since you were on Seroquel(I think!?), would you be open to trying a low dose of lithium to help you relax and help your brain recover from the stress it's been under? Lithium at low non toxic doses may be very beneficial to brain health and function.
Morgan
Posted by morgan miller on August 15, 2010, at 18:56:24
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 17:57:53
Sorry Dima, just went back to look over your posts and realized you never took Seroquel, my bad.
Are you still taking the medications you listed?
How about trying Lexapro instead of Celexa? I think it is superior.
Have you have a full check up at the doctor? Have you considered seeing a neurologist for some of your other symptoms?
Sounds like you are experiencing some type of withdrawal or side effects.
I still think a low dose of lithium may be worth a try.
Hope you feel better, you're too young for this sh*t.
Morgan
Posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 19:10:12
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by morgan miller on August 15, 2010, at 18:56:24
This isn't a reaction to some med. I'm talking about what I've gone through for the past half of my life. Adderall is the only thing that slightly removes the painful mental illness. Ed, the reason I don't keep a journal is because I don't feel an effect from any drug. I feel completely terrible with no change all the time, so there's not much to document.
Posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2010, at 20:10:11
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 19:10:12
Didn't you see a prominent doc? I could be mistaken of course. If so what did he prescribe.Phillipa
Posted by morgan miller on August 15, 2010, at 21:29:29
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 19:10:12
> This isn't a reaction to some med. I'm talking about what I've gone through for the past half of my life. Adderall is the only thing that slightly removes the painful mental illness. Ed, the reason I don't keep a journal is because I don't feel an effect from any drug. I feel completely terrible with no change all the time, so there's not much to document.
I gonna say it again, and again you probably won't be responsive, but what the hay! Therapy!!! A good therapist this time around if you had a sh*tty one before.
I only mentioned a possible reaction to medication because it seemed as if you were talking about your anxiety in a way that it was manifesting differently than it had before.
I guess your not open to taking any harmless herbs/supplements that could help you feel a little better. Sorry, I won't mention anything about this again unless you ask and show interest.
I do think you really should be taking a good fish oil supplement. If you really want to help yourself you might want to think about responding more to people's questions here. I know you are feeling bad right now so it may be hard for you to respond the way you would like.
Also, it does not appear you have given some of the SSRIs you have been on a long enough trial. You need to give SSRIs a full 12 weeks and some dosage tweeking to know if you are really going to get significant relief from them. I know it's hard to be patient, especially when you feel so bad.
Hang in there!
Morgan
Posted by floatingbridge on August 16, 2010, at 12:11:34
In reply to Re: I feel horrible » Dima, posted by Phillipa on August 15, 2010, at 20:10:11
Xanax and klonopine never really addressed my core anxiety (including social). Stimulant therapy does, oddly enough. Wish I hadn't started a 10 use (off and on, mostly on) of xanax. That is, if I could do it over.
Let's see. If I had received help at 19, my treatment might have looked like stimulant (for add), sleep aide and sleep management, and therapy. Good therapy. Going to visit my hometown always knocked me sideways, btw, but that's me. Take care, be wise, stay safe.
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2010, at 14:02:24
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 14, 2010, at 16:23:46
> I went to the ER for anxiety last night, and they ended up prescribing me Valium. Today, I took up to 10 mg and I still felt tense around people and in general. It made me feel more tired, though. Maybe it's not regular anxiety, but a non-drug-induced akathisia. That's what it feels like to me.
How do you know it wasn't drug induced?
>This definitely is not normal anxiety. There's a physical aspect to it. My muscles all feel tensed up even though I know they're relaxed. It's like restless leg syndrome all day with your whole body, which makes me incapable of focusing on anything, thus enjoying nothing.
I would be wondering if this was drug induced.
Posted by ed_uk2010 on August 16, 2010, at 15:23:54
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by Dima on August 15, 2010, at 17:57:53
>This definitely is not normal anxiety. There's a physical aspect to it. My muscles all feel tensed up even though I know they're relaxed. It's like restless leg syndrome all day with your whole body, which makes me incapable of focusing on anything, thus enjoying nothing.
Have you felt this type of anxiety (with the restless feeling) for many years or only recently?
Posted by Phillipa on August 16, 2010, at 19:36:08
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by floatingbridge on August 16, 2010, at 12:11:34
I bet you are right!!!! You mean l0 years right not dose of xanax? Phillipa ps still happen when go there or don't you anymore?
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2010, at 20:18:24
In reply to Re: I feel horrible, posted by floatingbridge on August 16, 2010, at 12:11:34
>Xanax and klonopine never really addressed my core anxiety (including social). Stimulant therapy does, oddly enough.
I hesitate to say what would address my core anxiety.
Xanax, Klonopin....I'm not surprised.
You have to be able to think clearly and quickly enough, rather than just letting the feeling of horror mount.
Posted by floatingbridge on August 17, 2010, at 12:09:00
In reply to Re: I feel horrible » floatingbridge, posted by Phillipa on August 16, 2010, at 19:36:08
Phillipa, ten years (my time flies; wish I could say while having fun), not mgs.
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