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Posted by SLS on May 16, 2008, at 18:24:56
In reply to One more question if you can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 17:10:23
God is whatever you define it to be. Or not. It really doesn't matter. What matters is the continuation of your consciousness. Death will bring you to an irreversible state of nothingness.
Like I said, I am a believer that one has the right to terminate their life. I should hope, though, that there be no conceivable alternative in life that death should be the solution. "Death is a permanent solution to a temporary problem." So I'm told.
You know, I really do want to give you that which is best for you. Right now, I really don't have a plan for you to commit suicide. However, I think that there are plenty of people here who could give you substantial reason to delay your deployment of a suicide strategy.
I don't know what to say to you to give you enough reason to continue living. If you look around, you should see quite a diverse representation of happiness. Some of us never learned how to be happy, or, perhaps more accurately, learned how to be unhappy. Looking back, can you parse out which was which?
Stay with us just a little while longer. I don't think anyone here is looking to thwart you. Like I said, you are in no rush to make a bad decision. Your alternatives will always be there. It is just that most of us think that to prescribe death to you would thwart you most of all.
You know, you don't have to believe in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept of God to entertain the notion that God is. I consider myself to be more spiritual than religious.
Do you have anything to look forward to doing tomorrow?
Ever?
Don't ask me divulge my plan to autoeuthanize myself. I don't have one. I am not much help to you here. I guess I always wanted to be free of depression to be able to think without the bias of warped thinking. Depression is an ALTERED STATE OF CONSCIOUSNESS. Most people would avoid making important decisions while they were under the influence of alcohol. Drunkeness is also an altered state of consciousness. I urge you to make this ultimate of decisions when you are no longer under the influence of depression.
I know, I know - if you could be without depression, you wouldn't be asking for suggestions on how to kill yourself. Damned logic.
I am not convinced that your depressed mood is due to a biological anomaly exclusively. You seem to describe a depressive thought style that is acting as a milieu for melancholic and other negative outlooks.
Have you ever experienced derealization? How much anxiety are you experiencing right now? Are you experiencing anger or hostility?
You know, I don't think there is anyone here who wants you to continue living without having some quality of life. How about giving us the opportunity to give you some feedback?
For now, I think it makes sense to redirect your energies away from researching how best to die, and researching how best to live. What kind of research have you performed to ascertain in what ways people search for and find quality of life?
1) What is your attraction to death?
2) What is your aversion to life?
3) What are you most scared of in life? (Do not include failed suicide attempts).
Q: What is the meaning of life?
A: Life is its own meaning.You know, the Universe dedicated a whole bunch of matter and energy bringing you forth from the primordial chaos. Stars had to explode for you. The Earth was pummeled by comets for you. Genes mutated for you. Photosynthesis fixed carbon for you. It goes on and on. Quite a bit went into your ascension to intelligence. Please use that intelligence to find hope and reject the hopelessness produced by depression, whatever the cause.
What can anyone here do to help you live better?
- Scott
P.S. Try to forgive people for wanting to help you in the only ways they know how. My effort was pretty lame, I'll admit. Please try not to react in frustration and anger. There is a lot of suffering to be seen on Psycho-Babble. People here can relate to, identify with, and experience true empathy for you. Everyone's hell is the worst they will ever know. I know I don't want any part of yours. Believe me that you don't want any part of mine.
Posted by SLS on May 16, 2008, at 18:34:05
In reply to One more question if you can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 17:10:23
Gosh. You are getting a lot of thoughtful feedback from people.
You are not alone. Even in your aloneness, you are not alone. Even with your thoughts of suicide, you are not alone. Please continue to investigate ways to get well. Here, you would not be alone. This place acts as a think-tank to help solve problems. Give it a chance.
I could write more, of course, but I don't want to give you the impression that I give a damn. <smile>
:-)
- Scott
Posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 18:59:29
In reply to One more question if you can help - I'll try. » Pluto, posted by SLS on May 16, 2008, at 18:24:56
> Q: What is the meaning of life?
> A: Life is its own meaning.
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> You know, the Universe dedicated a whole bunch of matter and energy bringing you forth from the primordial chaos. Stars had to explode for you. The Earth was pummeled by comets for you. Genes mutated for you. Photosynthesis fixed carbon for you. It goes on and on. Quite a bit went into your ascension to intelligence. Please use that intelligence to find hope and reject the hopelessness produced by depression, whatever the cause.
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> What can anyone here do to help you live better?
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> - Scott
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> P.S. Try to forgive people for wanting to help you in the only ways they know how. My effort was pretty lame, I'll admit. Please try not to react in frustration and anger. There is a lot of suffering to be seen on Psycho-Babble. People here can relate to, identify with, and experience true empathy for you. Everyone's hell is the worst they will ever know. I know I don't want any part of yours. Believe me that you don't want any part of mine.
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>Hi Scott,
You are a much better person than that damned psychologist who I think was more cared my purse. And of course far better than my doc too who will still not allow pharmacist to let Ritalin out for me. Good people are out there like some of my friends, but in internet who haven't ever seen me in person and giving his/her time to prolong my life.. sorry I can only think like prolong my sufferings...
No depression at all or am I depressed? My doc says no. I sleep well, work well interact fairly. ECT doesn't even comes as an option for my doc. Crappy doc why the hell he wouldn't let me Ritalin or Adderall? Or what is Tramadol? these three meds I have never tried, though all those antidepressants listed are very familiar to my body.
Answering your questions:
> 1) What is your attraction to death?
Of course it would be much better to die than live this life which is not worth living.
> 2) What is your aversion to life?I need a change but that is not possible. Shackled means a prisoner of life. Damnnnnnn
things so far prompted me to live are no longer attractive. Do you want to me to be precise? My wife is not attractive to me. Kids don't make any difference. Friends have become a menace, so I have to switch off my mobile. Can't check my inbox which is full with advices. Pure crap. They say I will die as an unbeliever will go to hell... hey.. who cares..? what is hell than this life?> 3) What are you most scared of in life? (Do not include failed suicide attempts).
didn't try to kill myself so far, but I am not going to try, but will do it by all means. Scared of life? what hell...? I am not afraid any more. This state is good to live as an anarchist. But then? nothing... why should I live this life which can't offer me something to live on?
See SLS, I respect you, but what are you talking about life's meaning? It is nothing sir, I have to end once by any way. What is better? end it up when I am able to do it myself? Or to let my life in the hands of those goddamn guys to experiment.? fifteen different antidepressants so far. Eleven meds now I am on. and some says Ritalin. does it worth?
Provigil was god send for few weeks, now it is the real satan. Prozac made a difference first now it is a fun. To be frank high dose of Xanax works, but my doc won't allow. Why the hell doc should care if I want to get addicted? it is none of his business...#*?#*~^#*
Finally why do you guys give too much importance to life? Guys.. I feel it strange. What does this life offer you?
Anyway I thank you friend. But why should you worry over me? Or why should those who want me alive care? what for? LIFE crap. I too thought like you guys. Now I know it is nothing but a show business. You guys go on. ..
Posted by Jeroen on May 16, 2008, at 19:09:07
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try. » SLS, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 18:59:29
get rid of the bogus med cocktail except for the benzos and try using this board to find a good med to feel supergreat, i had it once and the sun was really shining for me, i know it can for you too sir
Posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:22:48
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try., posted by Jeroen on May 16, 2008, at 19:09:07
> get rid of the bogus med cocktail except for the benzos and try using this board to find a good med to feel supergreat, i had it once and the sun was really shining for me, i know it can for you too sir.
Dear.....
You mean benzos only? sorry no stock. My doc won't let me a refill. I bought some bars from that crook. bloody guy. Won't give me more. I would pay but where to obtain more Xanax? have few ativans, klonopin is expired surprise.. it works. But won't last for more than a couple of weeks. then? where I will get them? My doc is pure evil.
Lyrica was good but not any more. Increase it? then who will get me more? Doc won't allow me. Damn I told him of my previous addiction to Marijuana. load of junk...
Posted by garylee on May 16, 2008, at 19:25:01
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try., posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:22:48
Pluto
Mind me asking where you are in the world? I take it you're in the USA?
Gary
Posted by Jeroen on May 16, 2008, at 19:25:04
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try., posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:22:48
don't blame yourself, my doc was more evil
he put me on a ward for hopeless people because i asked for Clozapine prescription *LAUGH*
Posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:32:32
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try., posted by garylee on May 16, 2008, at 19:25:01
> Pluto
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> Mind me asking where you are in the world? I take it you're in the USA?
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> GaryGary dear
won't let you know. you would definitely contact those damn volunteers. I need an opinion on how much elavil can kill me? I have them a lot more than fifty 75mg tabs. can get more if necessary. . can you help?
Posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:34:17
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try., posted by garylee on May 16, 2008, at 19:25:01
Posted by Jeroen on May 16, 2008, at 19:34:39
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try. » garylee, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:32:32
pluto, life is a bitch, a dirty one
youll get kicked, thrown against a wall in many ways, just embrace it
Posted by bleauberry on May 16, 2008, at 19:45:56
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
Been there done that.
You know what this sounds like to me? Drug induced emotional numbness. The inability to feel anything good or bad. Everything is pointless. No depression, and no excitement either. Emotionally anesthetized to the point where the idea of life itself is boring and utterly pointless. Perfectly functional, but without purpose because nothing matters. Emotiona numbness with the volume control turned as high as it goes.
Take a look at the meds and it is no surprise.
Having been there and done that, my best suggestion is to wean down on the drugs and eliminate all but the ones you absolutely must keep.
As long as the mind is numb, it will be impossible to feel God's presence, to understand the miracle of life, to love a wife, to love kids, to be attracted to anything, to look forward to anything, or to understand the tragedy self imposed death is to other people who know you.
I was going to ask, does it matter at all to you that your death would cause tears, sobbing, grief, and non-optional dramatic changes in lives of other people? But I realize that is a stupid question, because when emotions are anesthetized, those things really don't matter. It's all pointless. Who cares.
Get off the drugs, starting with prozac. Replace amisulpride with zyprexa. Keep your favorite benzo and drop all the others.
Posted by Molybdenum on May 16, 2008, at 19:51:52
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
Hi Pluto,
Sh*t hey? Ok, well as some have already mentioned, there's a few practical considerations:
1. I don't think anyone who is suicidal wants to end up with brain damage / in a vegetative state that either leaves you unable to think or maybe worse still, unable to finish yourself off properly.
So if you are going to do it, make sure you do it right. That will require a bit of serious thinking & research. There's no hurry, right? I mean, it's not like the opportunity is going to pass you by. This is one train that's never going to leave without you. So you owe it to yourself to have a good think about it.
I have found that planning & researching the topic has made me realise aspects of it that I had otherwise not considered. These 2 books are available as PDFs on torrent sites: [xxx] and [xxx]. Lots of good advice about the different ways you can stuff it up.
Re your pills, you could take a full bottle of every med you mentioned & still not cause death with any certainty. Sorry about that, but the drugs that are used at the Vet to "put down" a suffering animal are just not prescribed for humans any more. So taking all that you mentioned is not going to guarantee a peaceful or even painless or quick death. Sure, you could combine it with "swimming in deep water" for example. But who wants to drown? You don't sound like you want to make your final act an awful experience like that. This isn't something you're going to be able to practice at until you get it right. So please forget about the pills. You'll probably just vomit & then have to come up with some story in order to get new scripts filled. And if someone finds you unconscious, well....where could that lead? A mental hospital? Not my first choice. You might wish you were dead..! (sick joke....;))
2. The trouble with even a painless & clean suicide is that it's going to really upset some people you leave behind. Even if you think they don't care, they just might. They could get quite mentally f*ck*d up about it in the future - maybe for the rest of their lives. And especially kids - nobody wants to be responsible for that. Am I right?
I do believe I know a bit about how you feel. I feel like "Well, I'm not doing them any good like this either". But you really have to be a vindictive, violent and abusive parent to warrant them being better off without you. And you haven't given any indication of being like that. So that's a biggie in my list - not wanting to ruin someone else's life, especially children. Try to imagine what effect it would have had on you?
If you like movies (who doesn't) there's an interesting one you can download at torrent sites (or "rent I suppose") called "The Bridge" which revolves around the lives of those who go jumping in San Francisco. I found it somewhat "confronting" and that surprised me. For example, I'd never thought about the sort of conversations the people I'd leave behind would have after I'm gone. Have you? Quite enlightening. And remember, as far as we know you only get one chance at this, so watching this movie might give you some more useful information to consider. I mean, you sound like an intelligent person who wants to make sure you're doing the right thing. And I'll bet you wouldn't buy a house or a new car without considering all the pros, cons, options & "unknowns". Right? And I'm sure you'll agree this topic rates a little higher than houses & cars.
3. Now I take it that you haven't ALWAYS felt this way. And the last thing you want to do (no pun intended) is kill yourself on a whim, right?
Some days I feel so bad I want to die too. So far I've obviously not done it. I'll maybe take a hefty dose of Xanax & often sleep it off. Our emotions are so easily manipulated by chemicals and your list of meds is impressive. So I would be very suspicious that this combination of meds is in fact really not designed for your particular brain. How can you feel so bad otherwise? So I'd say that you should find a doc that knows brain drugs well. You might feel so much better on a completely different group - maybe even less drugs altogether. So that's point # 3, you really want to make sure that the meds you are on now aren't in fact causing you to feel this way. A lot of people kill themselves while on anti-depressants & benzos. So don't let the bastards at the chemical companies get away with ending your life just because they're inept at their jobs. So you really need to get a very competent doc to review your total meds & the influence it could be having on you. Fair enough?Now, you say that you're not depressed or anxious. But you're taking a lot of drugs that are primarily prescribed for depression, anxiety and to "elevate your mood". I don't mean to argue about how you feel. You feel how YOU FEEL. I just know that I have suffered from depression since I was a kid. I'm 41 now and it's taken me this long to realise how better off I could have felt if I'd been treated with the right meds earlier. Even up to 30, I had still never given anti-depressants a genuine go at relieving how I felt. I just assumed that if they didn't make me feel better in a few weeks, they must be useless. So there's another sad fact - sometimes they take a couple of months to work, and that's assuming the particular ones you're on are right for you - which it sure looks like it isn't the case for you. A good doc will come up with a comprehensive project plan to take you from "how you feel now on those meds" to "feeling better" - maybe on completely different meds. A good doc will know enough about the mechanisms that your current drugs utilise to maybe realise your brain needs a different approach (chemically and/or otherwise). The good news about feeling so bad is that the chances of feeling better with a different treatment are actually quite high. Wouldn't you agree?
So what are you going to do? Have a think and please let us know. There's so many people here who have taken everything you can imagine and with varying degrees of success. Although nobody knows your specific situation & history, they've had a lot of similar feelings I am sure and can offer some very good anecdotal advice and dare I say "support"....! 'Tis true, 'tis true....
Have a good think.
Mr. Be Damned.
Posted by SLS on May 16, 2008, at 20:01:37
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try. » SLS, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 18:59:29
I don't want depression to claim another life. It is my enemy, no matter where I find it. I don't know you. This is true. However, I know that you are still part of humanity. At the very least, this is how I see you, even if no one else does. (Many seem too, though). Would it surprise you that I should shed tears on your behalf. I would love to think that something mushy like that should sway you to hold on a little longer, but... I know better.
I really didn't mean to pontificate that there should be any kind of meaning of life but life itself. I guess you can disagree with me on this. You are a pretty heady fellow. I wouldn't presume to challenge your spiritual philosophies (or lack thereof).
Please maintain a dialog.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on May 16, 2008, at 20:06:47
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help » Pluto, posted by bleauberry on May 16, 2008, at 19:45:56
Posted by Jeroen on May 16, 2008, at 20:14:42
In reply to Very Much into Suicide | Great post. (nm) » bleauberry, posted by SLS on May 16, 2008, at 20:06:47
yea Dr bob is on fire lately
the forum i ment :P
Posted by bleauberry on May 16, 2008, at 20:22:02
In reply to One more question if you can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 17:10:23
If you are so inclined to ignore my suggestions in the previous post, then realize that what I am about to say is not for your benefit, but for the benefit of other people that have loved you and lived with you. If you ignore the suggestions, then there is nothing else I can do, and then I resign to focusing on the care of everyone else in your life instead of you. This is for them, not for you.
[xxx]
I in no way do I support it. [xxx]
Hey, a drug overdose, or a bullet in the head, or a noose from the rafter...these are lame man. Really lame. Old news. [xxx]
I suspect your mind is so numbed by medication that the resulting anhedonia/avolition/apathy are massively dominating. When you obsess death or think of an affair, it is your survival mode straining for some way to create excitement. Your brain is trying as hard as it knows to bust out of that numbness. It is no match for the longterm power of the drugs though. Give it some help, change those meds in the ways I suggested, or something along those lines.
Absolutely stop thinking about death and suicide. Don't do it. [xxx] Best bet is to harness all the power and creativity of that obsessive tendency, and use it to strategize the steps in changing those meds.
Prozac = bye bye
Amisulpride = bye bye
Zyprexa = hello
Xanax = staying around a while
Klonopin = call me if you need me
Lyrica = bye byeCarefully and controlled...that's where you obsessive gift comes in. Obsess on that instead of death.
Posted by Molybdenum on May 16, 2008, at 20:25:45
In reply to One more question if you can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 17:10:23
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> Adding this more.
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> Why overdosing meds are not a good idea? I think overdosing Elavil will help to end this business besides I would not be taking Elavil alone. Will add more Cozaar Inderal and whatever toxic available. Still you think I won't die? I think you guys want to thwart me. Frankly, if I don't want to end up in coma and wake up vegetated you should help me. Tell me the fatal dose of Elavil.
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> please...Hi Again,
overdosing is a great idea, sorry "method". The problem is that unless you know a Vet - not the Vietnam war variety, you just don't have pleasant drugs available to you. The only pleasant ones on your list are the Xanax, etc and the lethal dose of those is so high, nobody can eat that much chalky crap. Your stomach isn't big enough. Unless you count choking on your own vomit a successful method???
Over the past 30 years pharmacologists have gotten very positive performance reviews at work for inventing drugs that have a huge gap in between "the therapeutic dose" and the "lethal dose". In contrast, the old barbiturate tranquillisers of the 1950s & 60s had a very narrow gap, so people killed themselves quite easily by taking a bottle - intentionally or not.
No good doc these days will prescribe them any more for this reason.
I thought you didn't want to have a horrible death? Even if you have enough Elavil its not going to be pleasant at all. Go look it up in Google. Just multiply the "bad side effects" by 100 and you'll get an idea of what it will feel like.
Eat [xxx] paracetamol tablets and you'll die too. It will take a few days but it's very effective. The paracetamol destroys your liver. So your body just gets more & more toxic and you turn yellow. What a horrible way to go.
And I really do believe your meds are to blame for your current state. HOW ELSE CAN YOU EXPLAIN FEELING SO BAD ON ALL THESE DRUGS??? You would prefer to feel good again rather than die, right? So why not give that a try. It's not like you can be worse off. So why not give it a try?
Come one..!
Posted by okydoky on May 16, 2008, at 20:43:15
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
I think you have a lot of courage to post this. I feel like this most of the time but never have the nerve to "reach out." I read some of the responses.
I've had several attempts and two close ones. I walked a bridge for several hours in contemplation. Had huge blisters. Even in my darkest moments I kept thinking what if I change my mind in mid air?
I know it is cliché to say you don't know what tomorrow will hold, but how much "bad" time would you be willing to live with in the hopes of even a short span of wanting to live! Maybe while youre looking or working toward those times that might be good or just okay you can just let life pass by until things improve. Most days that is what I strive to do. Kind of put life off until I am able to actually live it. If I actually look at myself and how I feel and the hopelesness of it all all I want to do is die by any meens. Can you remember a time when you did want to live? Perhaps never contemplated it either way? Would you be willing to put in some hard time to see if you can get back to that? You have nothing to loose. Either you'll get there first or you'll die first. Why not take the chance that you'll get to a place that you want to live before you actually do die. Life is not very long. You are not going to suffer much longer than you have already lived. Imagine if you could look back afer you purposfully die and know then what might have been if you had only heald out!
I think I think a bit like this because many times I am so depressed I would tell my father "I am dieing" Really meening I have no life left. But his answer one time had some meening, he said "so am I, we all are."
I wish I had a real answer for you. I thank you so much for posting this and everyone else for their responses.
oky
Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on May 16, 2008, at 21:02:58
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try. » garylee, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:32:32
Hi Pluto:
I wanted to mention that we are both on some similar medications. Prozac, Klonopin, Ativan, Amaryl (I am on 8mg!!...major type 2 diabetes) and was on Cozaar, but came off of it because it caused me some hefty suicidal thoughts. And trust me, I know what 'suicidal thoughts' feel like (15 years of them!), but these where much more intense. I say so because I tracked it down in the notes of my journal. I could see the week I started on Cozaar, and when I came off of it. I am not saying this drug, or that drug, or any drug will just all of a sudden make everything 'better', but like others have said, I think you may just have too much of everything in your body. I certainly am not going to preach about suicide being 'bad' or anything like that, because I have been there, I know what desperately wanting to end it feels like too. As do a number of others on here, and I know it doesn't make it easier, but give it that 'chance', maybe try changing or dropping some of your meds. (I'd like to add with a doc's care, but I know that isn't always possible.) When I am at that point of wanting to end it all, and I've laid in my bed, seriously with out-of-body experiences too often to recall, my 'salvation' I think is just mumbling to myself..."Something will come up....something will come up..". And with a little force on myself to change things, I have no idea how, it does get a bit better. Weird, I know. So, maybe try 'mumbling', or saying something with just a tiny, little bitty ounce of things somehow changing, and it's against all odds, but they can work. Maybe that is too optimistic for you, I don't know. Ya, I know, I am just crazy. Best of luck.
Jay
Posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2008, at 21:04:12
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
Pluto I have a favor to ask of you. It's really not that hard. Since I'm old now 62 and my productive years of life are basically over would you hang in there with me although we don't know each other. I do know you name from babble posting one that is for a week and see if we can figure out a plan for life. If you're not happy living with you wife and kids and don't have a lot of faith in your friends at work. Maybe you're do for a life change. Who says we can't change our lives. Sure some may get hurt. But you may find your nitch in life that is your own life. If you will hang on another week would you babblemail me? Lets talk? That's not asking a lot. Love Phillipa and ps I have related to your thoughts.
Posted by Jeroen on May 16, 2008, at 21:24:37
In reply to Re: Pluto » Pluto, posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2008, at 21:04:12
isnt pluto a dog on tv whos always smiling and eating good food? :)
Posted by Phillipa on May 16, 2008, at 23:35:48
In reply to Re: One more question if you can help - I'll try. » garylee, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 19:32:32
Pluto I hope you will contact us and let us know you are okay. Percy right? Love Phillipa
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 2:08:15
In reply to Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by Pluto on May 16, 2008, at 10:07:50
Pluto, are you sure that you're not depressed because you've been demoted to a "dwarf planet"? I would be. You even have your own moon.
(I hope you can tolerate a bit of silliness).
Let's play "Can You Top This". Now, the only reason I'm doing this is so that you can get a feeling for how hard I have worked AND how many alternatives you really have. Navigating the pharmacopoeia in an effort to treat diseases of the brain or to bolster the milieu within which psychotherapeutic methods may be more effective is extremely tedious.
Rest. Gather your strengths. Move forward towards mental health. Yes, use your resourcefulness to create a plan - one that enhances your life rather than romances your death. What your mind has tolerated might be worse than what your biology dictates. Look for a new counselor. Like me, you might profit from a multimodal approach. CBT might help you to build a framework of positive thinking. You might have to work harder than me. For all I know, your situation might be worse than mine.
You have to want to.
I can't give you that. Nobody can. You must give it to yourself. Why don't you make a commitment to invest another 5 years? You MUST do some things differently, though. The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Believe it or not, Albert Einstein said that. I fall into that trap sometimes myself.
- Scott
**************************************************Anyway, this is what I've had to put up with in an effort to seek a life worth living. I'm still working toward refining my treatment to attain full remission. Not all of these drugs were antidepressants, but include adjuncts from other classes.
adinazolam
amitriptyline
amoxapine
aripiprazole
atomoxetine
bromocriptine
bupropion
carbamazepine
chloral hydrate
chlorpromazine
clomipramine
clonazepam
clorgyline
d-amphetamine
desipramine
donepezil
doxycycline
duloxetine
escitalopram
fluoxetine
fluphenazine
gabapentin
idazoxan
imipramine
indalpine
isocarboxazid
l-methylfolate
lamotrigine
levetiracetam
lithium
lorazepam
memantine
methylphenidate
mifepristone
mirtazapine
moclobemide
modafinil
nomifensine
nortriptyline
olanzapine
oxcarbazepine
paroxetine
pemoline
phenelzine
PKU-8059
pregabalin
protriptyline
quazepam
quetiapine
reboxetine
riluzole
risperidone
selegiline
sertraline
sibutramine
sulpiride
temazepam
thioridazine
thyroxine T4
tiagabine
topiramate
tranylcypromine
trazodone
triazolam
triiodothyronine T3
trimipramine
valproate
venlafaxine
viqualine
zaleplon
ziprasidone
zolpidem
zonisamide
Partial List of Treatment Regimes:
----------------------------------PKU-8059
adinazolam
amoxapine
atomoxetine + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
bupropion
clomipramine
clorgyline + lithium
clorgyline + lithium + trazodone
clorgyline + valproate
duloxetine + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
escitalopram + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
fluoxetine
gabapentin
idazoxan
imipramine
imipramine + lamotrigine
imipramine + lamotrigine + gabapentin
imipramine + lamotrigine + olanzapine
imipramine + lamotrigine + quetiapine
imipramine + lamotrigine + valproate
imipramine + lithium
imipramine + lithium + T3
indalpine
isocarboxezid
lamotrigine
lamotrigine + gabapentin
lamotrigine + sulpiride
lamotrigine + sulpiride + modafinil
lithium
memantine + imipramine + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
mirtazapine
moclobemide
modafinil + lamotrigine
nomifensine
nortriptyline + bupropion
nortriptyline + lamotrigine + ziprasidone
paroxetine
paroxetine + desipramine
pemoline
phenelzine
phenelzine + amitriptyline
phenelzine + desipramine
phenelzine + desipramine + carbamazepine
phenelzine + desipramine + valproate
phenelzine + imipramine + lamotrigine
phenelzine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole + l-methylfolate
protriptyline
reboxetine + lamotrigine
selegiline
sertraline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
sertraline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
tranylcypromine
tranylcypromine + bupropion
tranylcypromine + desipramine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + bromocriptine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + d-amphetamine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + d-amphetamine + T4
tranylcypromine + desipramine + lamotrigine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + methylphenidate
tranylcypromine + desipramine + olanzapine
tranylcypromine + desipramine + pemoline
tranylcypromine + desipramine + risperidone
tranylcypromine + desipramine + valproate
tranylcypromine + imipramine
tranylcypromine + imipramine + gabapentin
tranylcypromine + imipramine + lamotrigine
tranylcypromine + imipramine + valproate
tranylcypromine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine
tranylcypromine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole
tranylcypromine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine + aripiprazole + oxcarbazepine
trazodone
venlafaxine
venlafaxine + imipramine + lamotrigine
venlafaxine + nortriptyline + lamotrigine
viqualine
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 5:29:59
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help » Pluto, posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 2:08:15
You can match up the generic names I've provided with the brand name as well as getting an idea as to what these drugs do pharmacologically here:
http://www.slschofield.com/medicine/psychiatric_drugs_chart.html
- Scott
Posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 9:10:53
In reply to Re: Very Much into Suicide.. If anyone can help, posted by SLS on May 17, 2008, at 5:29:59
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