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Posted by blueboy on August 27, 2007, at 14:02:27
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt » Enigma, posted by Phillipa on August 26, 2007, at 18:58:06
You know, I'm currently off meds in general, and I notice some help from Requip also. I'll take it at night for Restless Leg as needed. I've noticed that very often, the next day after I take it, I feel some or even a lot of relief from depression.
My working theory is that sound sleep helps store up whatever neurotransmitter I'm lacking while suppressing whatever it is that causes RLS, and that Requip helps me sleep better. Another theory is that my body overreacts to whatever causes RLS and Requip is better targeted.
Both theories could be just completely wrong, of course. There are a lot of "post hoc ergo prompter hoc" problems with medication and depression.
BTW I have been put on at least 15 anti-depressant drugs. The only one that worked and that I could tolerate at all was Nardil (the only MAOI I've tried). The SSRI's give me like RLS in my entire body. I had seizures from a couple of them -- very scary, very unpleasant.
> Enigma I have a friend who has done the ECT, Parnate, Nardil and now .25 of requip has made him well. Seriously. Phillipa
Posted by rskontos on August 27, 2007, at 19:25:38
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by Enigma on August 26, 2007, at 11:40:46
Engima, I agree with you on that. I think that there is a huge number of people that depression is a chemical imbalance that is specific to them and that is why so many drugs that might help someone else doesn't help say you or others. Don't let people get to you. It is the most misunderstood disorder. I myself would not have understood it until this year. I have always had panic attacks and depression but not the severe kind until my panic attacks took over and my manner of dealing with them failed me. My therapist says I dissassocate and it has worked until June of 2006. My world unraveled. The depression that set in with the panic attacks left me in a dark place. It was the mental and the physical aspect I couldn't explain to my family. I am so sorry for your pain and if you have experienced for a long time.........well I understand why you are angry at those that tell you go hug an tree or live better and you will be healed. Because we are all so individual and brains are individual, your healing process whatever it is will be uniquely yours. I hope for your sake you find it. I hope you find support along the way too. RK
Posted by jhj on August 28, 2007, at 1:51:26
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by Enigma on August 26, 2007, at 11:40:46
Chemical Imbalance is as real as CANCER.
There is no doubt about it.Environmental factor might be playing part in worsening it.But,The cause is definely biologica.Even those,who become depressed after some traumatic life event are prone to depression by birth due to faulty genes.Traumatic event just triggers it.
Posted by jhj on August 28, 2007, at 1:58:31
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by Enigma on August 26, 2007, at 11:28:09
You can think about psychedelic drugs and even take the drugs actually because as per my information your country does not give any punishment to those who actually do the drugs.Am i right? Is there any punishment in your country for those who are found taking psychedelic drugs?
Posted by existentialist on August 28, 2007, at 12:28:59
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by jhj on August 28, 2007, at 1:58:31
I live in the USA. In the USA they are illegal. Mostly. In California, cannabis is nearly legal anyway, but it is quasi-legal for any purpose for which it medically helps. Insomnia, depression, mensteral pain, ADHD, Bipolar. In Amsterdam you can purchase magic mushrooms and Ayahuasca in shops know as smart shops.
As far as depression being as biologically real as cancer. I guess I can't speak on it. I've been diagnosed with depression, bipolar, and now ADD. Personally I don't think anything is biologically wrong or has ever been with me. There's always been so many factors involved. Various psychic pain and tramas that have never been resolved in me.
My experience with marijuana was one where it felt healing to me core. Like it was waking up my desire to live and be alive, breaking down personal barriers to experiencing deeper parts of myself. It felt childlike, like I remember feeling ok in the world like I did as a young child. It was the sense that my whole life I've lived focused ont he wrong things, affraid to really come alive. So I think there is absolutely theraputic potential there to heal.
Posted by linkadge on August 28, 2007, at 19:50:10
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by jhj on August 28, 2007, at 1:51:26
>Chemical Imbalance is as real as CANCER.
Hard to say. There is no conclusive evidence of any one chemical imballence in depression. What might be imballenced for one person is not necessarily imballenced for the other.
>There is no doubt about it.Environmental factor >might be playing part in worsening it.But,The >cause is definely biologica.
Again, it may depend on the person. If you take a rat and stress it enough, it will develop symtoms identical to human major depression. Ie it will stop sleeping, eating, engaging in hedonic activities, psychomotor retardation, you name it.
Again, these are no special mice. They are not selected for any particular genetic flaw. Just run of the mill mice that react the way other mice do to stress.
Now thats not to say that some people may react more severly to stress, or perhaps have genetic problems that render them depressed in the absence of environmental factors, but to say that all depression is biological simply cannot be prooven.
>Even those,who
>become depressed after some traumatic life event >are prone to depression by birth due to faulty >genes.Traumatic event just triggers it.Again, that statement cannot be proven. There are theories that may support that view. Some genetic research suggests that certain genes may make one more susceptable to a mental illness after stressfull life events, but these studies only show trends, they are not conclusive, and there are plenty of people who do not fit any one given model.
So, I would argue that to say that all depression is 100% biological is not a provable statement.
Linkadge
Posted by Enigma on August 28, 2007, at 20:41:33
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt » jhj, posted by linkadge on August 28, 2007, at 19:50:10
Out of all the people on this site, linkadge, I didn't think even you could be so ignorant.
Posted by Phillipa on August 28, 2007, at 21:44:32
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt » jhj, posted by linkadge on August 28, 2007, at 19:50:10
My anxiety and depression if I even have it may just be boredom but it was caused the anxiety diagnosed as PTSD due to the childhood issues of a Mother on a new med cortisone they knew nothing about as new at the time and she got addisons disease and the horrible mental side effects it can cause. She died when I was l7. So I do not believe my anxiety is genetic just life circumstances affected me negatively and created intense fear in me. After that I grew myself up as I had to take care of myself. So different circumstances can also contribute to anxiety/depression in my own circumastances. Can only speak for me. Phillipa
Posted by Optimist on August 28, 2007, at 22:39:54
In reply to Still no cure for my depression - tried everything, posted by Enigma on August 11, 2007, at 11:35:41
Have you considered hormone replacement therapy? Testosterone, cortisol, T3/T4, dhea, pregnenolone, estrogen, progesterone, etc...
If your hormones are out of wack, antidepressants aren't going to be very helpful.
Posted by jhj on August 29, 2007, at 0:29:57
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt » jhj, posted by linkadge on August 28, 2007, at 19:50:10
Hi Linkadge,I have social anxiety,GAD and depression since childhood.And i do not recall any traumatic or stressful event taking place in my life till yet.As far as animal models are concerned,they can not be taken seriously.I have seen thousand things being investigated and drugs found using mice and rats.But,It does not lead to anything in the end.You mean to say what happens to rats is more believable then my own case? If i had been normal in childhood,i would have easily said my childhood was as good as anyone.No stressfull events but still terrible mental problems.Can yot tell me what your animal model suggests in my case "conclusively"? Thanks.
Jatin
Posted by jhj on August 29, 2007, at 0:36:49
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by existentialist on August 28, 2007, at 12:28:59
Hi existentialist,In USA they are illegal.But do you get any "punishment" for taking illegal things except trivial ones like doing community service,kept on probation,sent to rehablilitation centre and at worst one month jail? I reside in India.Well if i am caught taking any of the drugs that you have mentioned,i will be sent to jail for six months,if i get caught second time then it will be for two years.And if i am found having these drugs in higher then certain quantity with me,then i am deemed drug peddlar and not consumer.In that case,i will have to spend time behind bar for cool 10 years.
Posted by jhj on August 29, 2007, at 0:42:29
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by Enigma on August 28, 2007, at 20:41:33
Well,I would not like to use the word "ignorant" simply because somebody is having different views then us.i support linkadge's rights of having own views on the issue.
Posted by Enigma on August 29, 2007, at 9:26:52
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by jhj on August 29, 2007, at 0:42:29
These took me all of 5 minutes to find on the web:
http://www.depression.com/causes_of_depression.html
Causes of DepressionDepression has no single cause; often, it results from a combination of things. You may have no idea why depression has struck you.
Whatever its cause, depression is not just a state of mind. It is related to physical changes in the brain, and connected to an imbalance of a type of chemical that carries signals in your brain and nerves. These chemicals are called neurotransmitters.
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www.bipolar.com
Scientists don’t really know what causes bipolar disorder, sometimes called manic depression. They do think that family history plays a role. Most people with bipolar disorder have a relative with the same condition or with some other mood disorder.
But family history alone does not cause someone to have bipolar disorder. We don’t yet know what those other things are.
This is what we DO know about bipolar disorder:* Bipolar disorder most often starts in teenagers and young adults. But it also can occur in children and older adults.
* Bipolar disorder equally affects people of all races and backgrounds.
* Special chemicals in the brain may be involved. If the levels of these chemicals are out of balance, it may be harder for brain cells to work as they should.
* Bipolar disorder also could be connected to hormone levels. Hormones are chemicals in the body that do certain things. Experts have noticed a link between thyroid hormone levels and bipolar disorder.
* Also, certain parts of the brain may have a different size or shape in people with bipolar disorder. The changes could be a cause or symptom of the illness.
* In some cases, other illnesses may play a role in bipolar disorder.Myth: Once bipolar disorder is controlled, people can stop their medicine.
Fact: Treatment of bipolar disorder is usually lifelong. Unless a healthcare provider says it’s okay, people shouldn’t stop medicine just because they are feeling better. Medicine can continue to keep the condition controlled.Myth: Bipolar symptoms are always triggered by some event.
Fact: Symptoms of bipolar disorder are often triggered by a stressful event, but not always. Sometimes mood swings happen without any obvious triggers.Bipolar disorder medicines may be used alone or with others. Some medicines may take time to start working. Types of bipolar disorder medicines include:
* Mood stabilizers. These may delay or relieve episodes of mania (highs) or depression (lows). They can help people go longer between mood episodes.
* Antidepressants. These are often used with a mood stabilizer in people with depressive episodes. If used alone, antidepressants may increase the chances of a person with bipolar disorder switching into mania.
* Antipsychotics. These are medicines that are mostly used to treat mania. They may also be used to treat psychosis that can occur during severe episodes of mania or depression. Patients with severe anxiety or agitation may also receive antipsychotics. Antipsychotics may be used alone or with other medicines for treating bipolar disorder.
* Other medicines might be suggested by the healthcare provider when a person with bipolar disorder cannot sleep or feels nervous.
* Electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) is not a medicine. It is a medical treatment used to help people with severe mania or depression. It can also help people who do not do well with medicine.---
I did find 2 other sites that tried to say depression and such was NOT caused by chemical imbalances.. BUT, GUESS WHAT? They were SELLING SOMETHING. Yep, propaganda so they could sell their books and audio tape sets. The sites I listed aren't selling a thing.
I have bipolar disorder. Like it may or may not say above, it's LIFELONG illness. So, tree hugging, going to live with monks for a year, isn't going to cure me of anything.
Also, I can FEEL the chemical imbalance. Yes, try and tell me I can't. I know when I'm calm, and I know when suddenly, for no reason, severely angry, full of rage, and irritable, or depressed to a point where I can't do ANYTHING except lie in bed.
I was fine Sunday, and in bed Monday and Tuesday. I hope people talking about MY disorder actually SUFFER from my disorder before they spew their BS opinions about it. Having a different opinion is one thing. Having to listen to BS is another.I'm gonna go hug a tree now, and maybe do deep breathing exercises in the woods, and I'm sure that will clear me right up. Yeah, that's sarcasm.
Posted by rskontos on August 29, 2007, at 9:50:10
In reply to To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by Enigma on August 29, 2007, at 9:26:52
To the message that stated if you can't prove something then it isn't so, I believe it you look in you own life you will find many things you believe in that might or might not be provable that you believe in. For instance, you have been told the earth revolves around the sun and you have seen it on a telescope and through pictures but you have not actually seen it so it isn't provable by yourself yet you believe in its existence. Maybe this isn't the best example, all I am saying it many things exists in the world at this present time, and are hard to prove. Those things are known sometimes by a hypothesis that scientists use to prove but not not actually seen or felt but are accepted to truths. Maybe depression as a chemical imbalance is the same. Since all ads are accepted to treat them yet how they actual work is not known. So maybe we all not to agree not to agree.
Posted by rskontos on August 29, 2007, at 10:05:46
In reply to To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by Enigma on August 29, 2007, at 9:26:52
Why are people trying to blast someone's view that his depression is biological based versus chemical based. It is going back to the nature vs nuture argument. Aren't we here to support each other or to aruge our knowlege over someone's else's. I came to this board to find support but so far I see more debate over who knows more. Knowledge is good to share but not to hurt people who far as I know are already in a bad place for the most part. I know the day I came here I was in a dark place. I spoke up, which for me in the place it was hard, and all I received was challenges on my knowledge. Which has come from the internet and the various doctors I have in my life. I don't claim to know everything. I, too, used what knowledge I have gleemed from literature I have researched, I sort out the good, the bad, and the ugly, and then have to decided what applies. I try to share what I think is helpful and what has worked for me only to help someone else in the same dark place I struggle daily to live within. I hope one day to emerge victoriously but I realize I need help and I need help from others that share that walk. But here, I am not getting the sense we are all in this together for the same reasons. It seems some want to appear as the most knowledgable or maybe it helps thinking it is a chemical thing and drugs are the best, I don't know what the motivation is. I only know that it seems like an honest debate isn't going on. It seems Enigma stated his case, and everyone is arguing with him and down playing how he feels which is legit. I think I will move on, to a safer place where my feeling are considered above knowledge. Good luck to all.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 29, 2007, at 10:38:33
In reply to Re: To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by rskontos on August 29, 2007, at 10:05:46
I don't believe that "bashing" someone's belief system about their depression or other illness is likely to be helpful to them. However, if someone is taking a unilateral approach to treatment, i.e. either medical intervention or psychological or alternative, etc., AND if this approach is not working, it might be helpful to talk to them about other ways of thinking about depression and treatment. If someone is continuing to "do the same thing" even though it's not working and they expect different results, I think they are more likely to be disappointed. But trying a different approach, or adding a different approach is making a change that could lead to a different result. It's been shown in the literature that a combination of medical plus psychological interventions often is more effective in treating many types of depression than either one alone. (Sorry for general language and no cites...in a hurry here.)
So encouraging someone to think about cause and treatment from a different perspective, while respecting their beliefs, can be helpful and educational, imo. But that last part is crucial--respect.
gg, who hasn't read the whole thread, so if this is a redux of someone else's post, I apologize.
Posted by Deputy 10derheart on August 29, 2007, at 17:08:05
In reply to Re: To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by rskontos on August 29, 2007, at 10:05:46
>>Why are people trying to blast someone's view
>>everyone is arguing with him and down playing how he feelsPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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>>I think I will move on, to a safer place
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Posted by Deputy 10derheart on August 29, 2007, at 17:08:12
In reply to To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by Enigma on August 29, 2007, at 9:26:52
>>they spew their BS opinions about it.
>>Having to listen to BS is another.
>>I didn't think even you could be so ignorant.Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
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Posted by Deputy 10derheart on August 29, 2007, at 17:13:13
In reply to Re: To the people who don't believe in biological, posted by gardenergirl on August 29, 2007, at 10:38:33
Posted by linkadge on August 29, 2007, at 20:44:57
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by jhj on August 29, 2007, at 0:29:57
>I have social anxiety,GAD and depression since >childhood.And i do not recall any traumatic or >stressful event taking place in my life till yet.
k
>As far as animal models are concerned,they can >not be taken seriously.I have seen thousand >things being investigated and drugs found using >mice and rats.But,It does not lead to anything >in the end.
Actually, it leads to a lot in the end. %99 of the psychiatric drugs we take today were likely originally identified for their activities in rodents.
>You mean to say what happens to rats is more >believable then my own case? If i had been >normal in childhood,i would have easily said my >childhood was as good as anyone.
No, what I said is not being taken correctly. I did not say that some depression may not have a biological origin, I am just saying that as of this date, we only really have leads, or hints as to specific biochemical abnormalities.
>No stressfull events but still terrible mental >problems.Can yot tell me what your animal model >suggests in my case "conclusively"? Thanks.
Take obesity for example. I am sure there are some people who are obese who have absolutely no controll over their illness (ie purely genetic). We do know, however, that obesity is on the rise, so, unless this bad gene is multiplying at an exponential rate, one must consider the influence of other factors.
As of this date, no one gene has been identified as being responsable for depression, nor has any one diagnostic marker been definitivly outlined. While I am sure, that some people's depression may be solely due to a bad gene, I would argue that for a large number of with depression, environmental factors play a role in the progression of their disease.
Environmental factors needn't always be "stress". Just as environemntal toxins can cause selective dopaminergic neurotoxicity, perhaps some sort of serotonergic neurotoxin is the cause of an individuals depression. Nutritional imbalences may also be at the heart of certain depressive states.
For some people, considering their disease as a purely genetic one perhaps helps relive some of the guilt associated with the depressive state.
In the end though, there is little proof than any one person's depression is a purely genetic phenomina.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on August 29, 2007, at 21:06:26
In reply to To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by Enigma on August 29, 2007, at 9:26:52
>These took me all of 5 minutes to find on the >web:
You can find a lot of biased information in a very short period of time.
Again, I never said that depression may not be of a purely biological origin for some individuals, but there is little proof that the majority of depression is biological.
>Whatever its cause, depression is not just a >state of mind. It is related to physical changes >in the brain, and connected to an imbalance of a >type of chemical that carries signals in your >brain and nerves. These chemicals are called >neurotransmitters.Petting a dog will increase your serotonin levels.
>This is what we DO know about bipolar disorder:
>* Special chemicals in the brain may be >involved. If the levels of these chemicals are >out of balance, it may be harder for brain cells >to work as they should.They can only really say "may".
>* Also, certain parts of the brain may have a >different size or shape in people with bipolar >disorder. The changes could be a cause or >symptom of the illness.
Again, they can only say "may". They also say that brain changes could be a *cause* or a *result* of bipolar disorder.
>Myth: Bipolar symptoms are always triggered by >some event.
>Fact: Symptoms of bipolar disorder are often >triggered by a stressful event, but not always. >Sometimes mood swings happen without any obvious >triggers.Again, they are not discounting environmental influences.
>I did find 2 other sites that tried to say >depression and such was NOT caused by chemical >imbalances.. BUT, GUESS WHAT? They were SELLING >SOMETHING. Yep, propaganda so they could sell >their books and audio tape sets. The sites I >listed aren't selling a thing.
To be blunt, everbody is trying to sell something. There is a profession called psychiatry, whereby the livelyhood of the professional is directly proportional to the number of ill patients he or she has.
>I have bipolar disorder. Like it may or may not >say above, it's LIFELONG illness. So, tree >hugging, going to live with monks for a year, >isn't going to cure me of anything.
Why do people go from one extreme to the other?? (Besides being bipolar?). Its notnecessarily about tree hugging, or joing a church, or getting exercised, or living with monks, etc. Recognizing the environmental factors that influences the disease can help a patient to make the best recovery.
I may still take my medication, but if I recognize that too much stress in school is making my depression worse, for example, then I will try and cut back. Nobody lives in a vaccume.
>I was fine Sunday, and in bed Monday and >Tuesday. I hope people talking about MY disorder >actually SUFFER from my disorder before they >spew their BS opinions about it. Having a >different opinion is one thing. Having to listen >to BS is another.
Its not just one opinion. Some of the most respected molecular biologists who are currently working on reasearch into the etiology of bipolar admit that the recognition of environemental factors is crutial to recover. Dr. Manjii, for instance, is currently trying to uncover the molecular action of the mood stabilizers essentially says how important it is for bipolars to reduce stress on acount of the way that stress can increase PKC, cortisol, glutamate, etc. He considers bipolar disorder to be a disorder of loss of cellular resilliance, whereby there is a reduced cellular tollerance for environmental stress. So, yes there are genetic influences, and there are environmental influences.
>I'm gonna go hug a tree now, and maybe do deep >breathing exercises in the woods, and I'm sure >that will clear me right up. Yeah, that's >sarcasm.
To close your mind to the possable ways that environmental factors can influence your illness may lead to a worse outcome. This isn't about "tree hugging", this is about knowing how to go about your day in a way that keeps yourself sane. Its stuff you're likely doing already.
Linkadge
Posted by linkadge on August 29, 2007, at 21:11:07
In reply to Re: To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by rskontos on August 29, 2007, at 9:50:10
If you want to believe your mood disoder is a result of this or that, then it is your right.
All I am saying, is that some people adopt a mindset whereby their disease is necessarily %100 biological, and therefore completely discount all other possable influences.
This is a grave mistake (IMHO), and may lead to a worse outcome.
Just like how my Dad says how his high cholesterol is genetic, and pops his cholesterol pill on the couch before preceeding to wolf down t-bone steak, fries, potatoe with sour cream, coke, and sausage for desert.
He has closed his mind to other influences, and therefore he will likely suffer.
All I am saying is keep your mind open.
Like Dr. Peter Kramer suggested, you acutally do need to "Listen to Prozac".
Linkadge
Posted by jhj on August 30, 2007, at 6:31:55
In reply to Re: Still no cure for my depression - tried everyt, posted by linkadge on August 29, 2007, at 20:44:57
Actually, it leads to a lot in the end. %99 of the psychiatric drugs we take today were likely originally identified for their activities in rodents.99% of drugs today were "likely" originally identified.I think you yourself seem to be in doubt about this 99% figure.Anyway,even if i believe that is true,then no wonder why none of these drugs has any beneficial effect on me despite trying atleast 20 of them in years.
I did not say that some depression may not have a biological origin, I am just saying that as of this date, we only really have leads, or hints as to specific biochemical abnormalities.
surprising.I am living human being and i am saying that my problems started in childhood despite having good childhood,leaving in healthy environment,being sound financially and eating good food,i have developed these problems.In fact,when i started understand things when i was around 5-6 years old,one of the first things i understood was that i am abnormal kid and something is wrong with me and it has proved to be the fact.I do not know if this according to you is only hint but in my opinion it is conclusive proof that it was biological.
As of this date, no one gene has been identified as being responsable for depression, nor has any one diagnostic marker been definitivly outlined. While I am sure, that some people's depression may be solely due to a bad gene, I would argue that for a large number of with depression, environmental factors play a role in the progression of their disease.Scientist have identified many genes responsible for depression.But,it is not caused by one gene.It is due to the complex effect of verious genes each one play small part in the depression.Human brain is very complicated things if scientists have not been able to understand the mechanism and continue to experiment on rodents then it is their problem.I was not raised amidst any environmental toxicity or did not think i had nutritionally unbalance diet.I have not seen anybody else from my area having the same problem.I have seen some tragic incident after these problems were there but,they have not worsened my problems in any way.It is same as it was before years?no more,no less.So,how can it be said that illness has progressed?
For some people, considering their disease as a purely genetic one perhaps helps relive some of the guilt associated with the depressive state.
True but partially.It is not some of the "guilt" but complete guilt.In short,whatever has happened to me or happening to me is purely because of biological reasons and neither i nor my family nor my immediate environment has any role to play whatsoever.Thanks.
Posted by jhj on August 30, 2007, at 6:39:54
In reply to Re: To the people who don't believe in biological dep., posted by linkadge on August 29, 2007, at 21:11:07
Keep mind open to only convincing things.Because one is always bombarded with some useful and many unuseful information and we see clearly that environmental factors are not affacting us we should filter it out as junk information and should not overburdan our mind.
Posted by gardenergirl on August 30, 2007, at 9:54:46
In reply to thanks for this post, gg (nm) » gardenergirl, posted by Deputy 10derheart on August 29, 2007, at 17:13:13
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