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Posted by Cece on March 7, 2001, at 13:18:30
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » Alan, posted by Beca on March 6, 2001, at 20:43:56
Hi Rebecca-
Both Neurontin and Lamictal have anti-depressant qualities: Neurontin is (usually) more calming, Lamictal is (usually) more activating. I take both, and they are a good combo (I also take other meds as well- my whole mix has developed over 8 years of working with a good pdoc).
Here are a few postings I have made that will give you some more info on my experiences:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010221/msgs/55183.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010302/msgs/55558.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010221/msgs/54646.html
I hope that this is helpful, and good luck,
Cece
Posted by roo on March 7, 2001, at 13:42:44
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » Beca, posted by Cece on March 7, 2001, at 13:18:30
Ce-Ce,
What's it like taking both the neurotin and the
lamictal? Do you also take an antidepressant?
I take neurotin and prozac, but we are hoping
to wean completely off the prozac b/c of sexual
side effects. I am concerned about not getting
enough of a AD effect from the neurotin alone, but
I can't take any SSRI's without sexual side effects,
and the other ones don't seem to work for me. Maybe
a combo of neurotin and lamictal together would have
enough of an AD effect....
Anyway, just let me know your experience...I love
the calming effect of the neurotin...but I do tend
toward depression as well.
Posted by Cece on March 7, 2001, at 21:44:14
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by roo on March 7, 2001, at 13:42:44
Hi Roo-
I tend toward depression also- sometimes very bad depression. I have tried many meds over the course of the last 8 years, and now take a quite long list together. I'll give you the whole list at the end- it's longer than I would like (I feel like I am running my own pharmacy, and it's a real job to keep it stocked)- but everything I still take has addressed some aspect of my problems. I'm in the process of slowly decreasing dosages of some things, to see if their function has been replaced by something added more recently- I hope to be able to take some meds out and simplify my life.
I took zoloft- by itself before I started working with my present doctor- it helped for awhile but then started to send me into a very nasty hypomania. Later on, once I got some mood stabilizers going (Depakote and Klonopin) I added it back in and got some benefit w/o the hypo. But I had the sexual side effects, and I was always a little nervous about it becuz of my past experience. I weaned off it, and don't miss it. The only (official) AD that I now take is Nortriptyline- it helps my depression and my sleep.
I have definitely gotten some AD effects from Lamictal, as I hear others have too. I have also quite recently started on Thyroid med (T4, I have taken T3 (Cytomel) for quite a long time as it is a good AD augmenter), and it has clearly helped my mood. Same with Adderall, which is new for me, although I'm now wondering if I really need it, or whether the T4 was what I really needed. Oh, it's so complicated!
Here are the url's of some posts I've made regarding my experiences with different meds, including Lamictal:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010302/msgs/55558.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010221/msgs/54646.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010302/msgs/55729.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010221/msgs/55183.htmlI have also gotten both anti-anxiety and AD help from Xanax.
So I can't answer precisely about just Lamictal and Neurontin together- I've got too many other meds mixed in. But I can say that it's no problem, and I think that they are probably a good combo on their own. Just depends on your particular depression whether you might need something else also.
So, here's what I take (I've left out my allergy med and my hormone replacement- this is enuf to absorb!):
MORNING:
Neurontin 300mg
Cytomel 10mcg
Lamictal 125mg
Depakote 125mg
Adderal 5mg (down from 7.5mg on 3/7)
Xanax .25mg
Levothroid 50mcg
AFTERNOON:
Neurontin 300mg
Adderal 2.5mg
Xanax .25mg
NIGHTIME:
Neurontin 300mg (down from 600 on 3/5)
Depakote 125mg
nortriptyline 40mg
Xanax .75mg
clonazepam .0625mg (down from .125mg 2/27, will go off on 3/9)
Topomax 12.5mg (since 3/5)
PRN:
Xanax .25- .5mg Q 4-6hrIf you're interested in my experience with Topomax, here's my posts:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010302/msgs/55393.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010302/msgs/55724.htmlI hope that this hasn't been too long of a post, and that it is of some help,
Cece> Ce-Ce,
>
> What's it like taking both the neurotin and the
> lamictal? Do you also take an antidepressant?
> I take neurotin and prozac, but we are hoping
> to wean completely off the prozac b/c of sexual
> side effects. I am concerned about not getting
> enough of a AD effect from the neurotin alone, but
> I can't take any SSRI's without sexual side effects,
> and the other ones don't seem to work for me. Maybe
> a combo of neurotin and lamictal together would have
> enough of an AD effect....
> Anyway, just let me know your experience...I love
> the calming effect of the neurotin...but I do tend
> toward depression as well.
Posted by roo on March 8, 2001, at 9:23:05
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » roo, posted by Cece on March 7, 2001, at 21:44:14
> Thanks Ce-ce, for your response--it does help.
Are you able to take a lower dose of the nortriptyline
b/c of the mood stabilizers, or are you on a standard
dose?
Posted by Beca on March 8, 2001, at 12:30:07
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » Beca, posted by Cece on March 7, 2001, at 13:18:30
Hi Cece
These meds are working well for me, but the neurontin is making me a little dizzy but that should go away soon, I experienced that the last time I was on it to. I can't take any any anti depressant cause that make me rapid cycle so I'm glad to here that lamictal and neurontin both have antidepressant effects. I also take 3000mg of salmon oil each day, that helps alot with depression, you can take any kind of fish oil but salmon oil is the best. I hope things are going smoothly for you, Take care. Rebecca
Posted by roo on March 8, 2001, at 13:27:10
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by Beca on March 8, 2001, at 12:30:07
Beca,
how long did it take for you to notice the salmon
oil taking effect? Where did you get it? I have
seen fish oil, but never salmon oil...
Posted by Beca on March 8, 2001, at 17:01:12
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,--beca, posted by roo on March 8, 2001, at 13:27:10
Roo,
It took a little while for the salmon oil to take effect because it has to build up in the system but once it has a stable level it works quite well in conjunction with my other meds (topomax, lamictal and neurontin). I by it at my local health food store and sometimes at Costco. Give it a try if you can find it, you might have to ask for it to be brought in for you if you don't see it on the shelves. You can find more info on this if you type in salmon oil into one of your browsers.
Posted by dove on March 9, 2001, at 9:09:51
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » roo, posted by Cece on March 7, 2001, at 21:44:14
>
> So, here's what I take (I've left out my allergy med and my hormone replacement- this is enuf to absorb!):
>
> MORNING:
> Neurontin 300mg
> Cytomel 10mcg
> Lamictal 125mg
> Depakote 125mg
> Adderal 5mg (down from 7.5mg on 3/7)
> Xanax .25mg
> Levothroid 50mcg
> AFTERNOON:
> Neurontin 300mg
> Adderal 2.5mg
> Xanax .25mg
> NIGHTIME:
> Neurontin 300mg (down from 600 on 3/5)
> Depakote 125mg
> nortriptyline 40mg
> Xanax .75mg
> clonazepam .0625mg (down from .125mg 2/27, will go off on 3/9)
> Topomax 12.5mg (since 3/5)
> PRN:
> Xanax .25- .5mg Q 4-6hr
>
I have a similar combo of meds, but haven't found the sweet spot quite yet. I was wondering about your feelings on Adderall, and what you feel and/or think it does for you. I was originally prescribed Adderall for ADHD, but when they decided to start working on the bipolar issues they said that many times Adderall has a slow-down effect especially when focusing on *not* inducing a manic session when trying to add AD's.So, I was just wondering if you had any feelings about it? I know it's *very* difficult to define which meds are doing what, so if this task seems to be just a little too discombobulated, just ignore my scribbling ;-)
Thanks for everything you've shared so far, it is very nice to hear and learn from other people's experiences in regard to complicated dxes and complicated med-cocktails, thank you!
dove
Posted by Lorraine on March 9, 2001, at 11:49:02
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » Beca, posted by Cece on March 7, 2001, at 13:18:30
I wanted to thank you for your post. There was a lot of information in there that should be useful.
Posted by Cece on March 9, 2001, at 13:15:54
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » Cece, posted by dove on March 9, 2001, at 9:09:51
Thanx for the thanks- I just discovered this board and jumped in about 3 weeks ago. It' been an incredible boost for me to have a new support system. As well-meaning as friends may be, no one really gets it who hasn't been there. And there is so much good info and so many knowledgeable people here! It's wonderful to be able to share my experiences.
Re Adderall: I just added it about 2 months ago- this after 8 years on mood stabilizers (changed/added to as new ones appeared promising). It has been part of a push (I'm pushing my pdoc), to clear my head of damn brain fog/grog. Lamictal was the first addition to help, several months later came my small dose of Adderall- as a result of a question as to whether I might have an ADD component going on, and it has helped me focus, and then most recently came the Levothroid (T4 thyroid, see my post: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20010302/msgs/55729.html for info) which has helped my overall energy and feeling of well-being.
At the same time, I am slowly dropping out Klonopin which I have taken for a long time, am very sensitive to, and despite a tiny dose have suspected of holding me down in a negative way. I have also slightly reduced my dose of Neurontin, a drug that I love and will never give up, but think I was a bit over on.
So, I'm feeling better and better- but also Spring is my best season- v. complicated, isn't it?!
For myself, I do not think that Adderall would have been a good idea earlier on- I was too unstable. Several years ago, before I was on Neurontin and Lamictal, I tried Cylert to clear brain fog- it worked great for about a week, then sent me into a horrible hyper (not really hypo) nasty place that it took several weeks to come out of. But of course, it's not the same drug as Adderall.
If you trust your pdoc, I guess I'd trust the advice for the moment, but don't forget about Adderall- it seems to have helped a lot of people.
Good luck,
Cece
> > So, here's what I take (I've left out my allergy med and my hormone replacement- this is enuf to absorb!):
> >
> > MORNING:
> > Neurontin 300mg
> > Cytomel 10mcg
> > Lamictal 125mg
> > Depakote 125mg
> > Adderal 5mg (down from 7.5mg on 3/7)
> > Xanax .25mg
> > Levothroid 50mcg
> > AFTERNOON:
> > Neurontin 300mg
> > Adderal 2.5mg
> > Xanax .25mg
> > NIGHTIME:
> > Neurontin 300mg (down from 600 on 3/5)
> > Depakote 125mg
> > nortriptyline 40mg
> > Xanax .75mg
> > clonazepam .0625mg (down from .125mg 2/27, will go off on 3/9)
> > Topomax 12.5mg (since 3/5)
> > PRN:
> > Xanax .25- .5mg Q 4-6hr
> >
>
>
> I have a similar combo of meds, but haven't found the sweet spot quite yet. I was wondering about your feelings on Adderall, and what you feel and/or think it does for you. I was originally prescribed Adderall for ADHD, but when they decided to start working on the bipolar issues they said that many times Adderall has a slow-down effect especially when focusing on *not* inducing a manic session when trying to add AD's.
>
> So, I was just wondering if you had any feelings about it? I know it's *very* difficult to define which meds are doing what, so if this task seems to be just a little too discombobulated, just ignore my scribbling ;-)
>
> Thanks for everything you've shared so far, it is very nice to hear and learn from other people's experiences in regard to complicated dxes and complicated med-cocktails, thank you!
>
> dove
Posted by Cece on March 10, 2001, at 2:10:43
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » Cece, posted by dove on March 9, 2001, at 9:09:51
Dove-
I forgot to ask you in my previous reply what your similar combo of meds is- if you feel comfortable sharing it?
I'm off clonazapam completely now- a good move for me I think. So far so good- less fog and no additional anxiety.
I've been on a slightly reduced dose of Adderall for 3 days now- this change becuz my blood pressure has gone up since I started it. Haven't had my BP rechecked yet, but still feel plenty of energy. (I also wonder if I needed the Adderall in the first place, or maybe just needed the T4 plus lowering/deleting some overly sedating meds like the clonazepam).
Cece>
> I have a similar combo of meds, but haven't found the sweet spot quite yet.> dove
Posted by Mimers on March 13, 2001, at 10:58:30
In reply to Re: Paxil, Klonopin, Wellbutrin UPDATE, posted by Dena C. on January 10, 2001, at 20:21:19
Hi everyone:
I started taking Klonopin in December. One half (1/2) mg every night. I ran across this board and was scared out of my mind reading some of these threads that I decided to cut the .50mg in half and have beed taking .25 at night for about a week. (I intended to start shaving off minuscule pieces of the .25 until I was down to nothing and then quit it completely) No problems till last night.
During a very emotional conversation with my fiance (prior to taking my .25mg) I starting feeling anxiety. I took my quarter mg and didn't feel much better, in fact it got worse. In addition I took a couple of puffs off of something that I'm not sure I can post here but I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about. That was the first time I had ever combined the two and I can assure you it will be the LAST. I have never in my life had such a panic attack. I had to take another .25mg to get relief. Please, can someone tell me why I had such a reaction? Was it the combination of the stressful conversation, the week or so of reducing to.25mg and the couple of "puffs"? Or is it the reduction to 25mg a day in intself that caused it? I am so frightened it will happen again. Prior to last night I have never had a panic attack. I was originlly prescribed the meds for a sleep disorder. (Which it did help but after reading these threads I decided I'll live with the sleep disorders!) Could I be experiencing withdrawal symptoms? Please help.
Posted by Crystal on March 13, 2001, at 11:29:28
In reply to Re: Paxil, Klonopin, Wellbutrin UPDATE, posted by Mimers on March 13, 2001, at 10:58:30
Hi,
Just wanted to let you know that I used to smoke marajuana and when my depression and anxiety set in the marajuana increased my anxiety, A LOT. I no longer smoke it for that reason because it still has that effect on me and makes my mind race.Dont worry, i think it is common
crystal
> Hi everyone:
>
> I started taking Klonopin in December. One half (1/2) mg every night. I ran across this board and was scared out of my mind reading some of these threads that I decided to cut the .50mg in half and have beed taking .25 at night for about a week. (I intended to start shaving off minuscule pieces of the .25 until I was down to nothing and then quit it completely) No problems till last night.
>
> During a very emotional conversation with my fiance (prior to taking my .25mg) I starting feeling anxiety. I took my quarter mg and didn't feel much better, in fact it got worse. In addition I took a couple of puffs off of something that I'm not sure I can post here but I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about. That was the first time I had ever combined the two and I can assure you it will be the LAST. I have never in my life had such a panic attack. I had to take another .25mg to get relief. Please, can someone tell me why I had such a reaction? Was it the combination of the stressful conversation, the week or so of reducing to.25mg and the couple of "puffs"? Or is it the reduction to 25mg a day in intself that caused it? I am so frightened it will happen again. Prior to last night I have never had a panic attack. I was originlly prescribed the meds for a sleep disorder. (Which it did help but after reading these threads I decided I'll live with the sleep disorders!) Could I be experiencing withdrawal symptoms? Please help.
Posted by Annabelle on March 13, 2001, at 14:08:25
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » dove, posted by Cece on March 10, 2001, at 2:10:43
Hi,
I started searching for info on Neurontin and found this wonderful site. I have been on Klonopin for about 4 years for muscle pain in my neck and upper Trapezius. This winter the pain worsened and my new Neurologist also gave me Neurontin. It has made a diffence in controlling the pain....it helps.
I am also on Celexa and Wellbutrin for depression.
It is totally amazing to me that both Neurontin and Klonopin are used for treating mood disorders as well as pain.
Thank you all for your postings and support of each other. You give great information.
A couple of questions....you mentioned 'brain fog'
which drug does this??? Does it last long???
I thought it was ME... Also does Neurontin seem to be constipating???? I haven't seen this in the side effects...maybe I should search further.
I look forward to reading more postings on this site...
Thanks, Anna
Posted by Beca on March 13, 2001, at 18:54:10
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by Annabelle on March 13, 2001, at 14:08:25
Hi Anna,I'm glad you found some useful information on this site. In regards to neurontin and brain fog and constipation, for me it does both, but over time I'm finding that the brain fog is lessening some what, but I'm on a fairly high dose of neurontin to begin with, but it could be also in combination with my other drugs, mind you I didn't have problems with it before I started the neurontin. In regards to the constipation I just eat lots of prunes! I hope this helps. Rebecca
Posted by Annabelle on March 13, 2001, at 20:10:05
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » Annabelle, posted by Beca on March 13, 2001, at 18:54:10
Rebecca....
Oh good... the brain-fog could just be me, and as for the constipation, I am certain it is the Neurontin. Gad, I hate to think I have joined the Citrucel generation...did I say that before?? See, brain-fog. I had no idea that klonopin and neurontin were being used for mood disorders as well as pain. Perhaps that is why I am so darn tired. I had major foot surgery in January, so I am still recovering from that, but I could sleep all day. Addiction???? Yes, I am addicted as long as they relieve my pain and help me sleep.
I would love for the pain to go away and be able to go off all these drugs. Well, they do help.
Anna
Posted by Tamaram on March 19, 2001, at 16:36:28
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by roo on March 7, 2001, at 13:42:44
> Ce-Ce,
>
> What's it like taking both the neurotin and the
> lamictal? Do you also take an antidepressant?
> I take neurotin and prozac, but we are hoping
> to wean completely off the prozac b/c of sexual
> side effects. I am concerned about not getting
> enough of a AD effect from the neurotin alone, but
> I can't take any SSRI's without sexual side effects,
> and the other ones don't seem to work for me. Maybe
> a combo of neurotin and lamictal together would have
> enough of an AD effect....
> Anyway, just let me know your experience...I love
> the calming effect of the neurotin...but I do tend
> toward depression as well.Hi, I took Neurontin for about a month, and it drives me up the wall! It gives me so much anxiety. I hoped it would calm me down. Now taking Paxil and litium. The litium I don't notice a difference. Does anyone else notice that?
Tamaram
Posted by Tamaram on March 19, 2001, at 16:54:34
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by Tamaram on March 19, 2001, at 16:36:28
> > Ce-Ce,
> >
> > What's it like taking both the neurotin and the
> > lamictal? Do you also take an antidepressant?
> > I take neurotin and prozac, but we are hoping
> > to wean completely off the prozac b/c of sexual
> > side effects. I am concerned about not getting
> > enough of a AD effect from the neurotin alone, but
> > I can't take any SSRI's without sexual side effects,
> > and the other ones don't seem to work for me. Maybe
> > a combo of neurotin and lamictal together would have
> > enough of an AD effect....
> > Anyway, just let me know your experience...I love
> > the calming effect of the neurotin...but I do tend
> > toward depression as well.
>
> Hi, I took Neurontin for about a month, and it drives me up the wall! It gives me so much anxiety. I hoped it would calm me down. Now taking Paxil and litium. The litium I don't notice a difference. Does anyone else notice that?
>
> Tamaram
I also forgot to say, me also find it wonderful to have a sounding board for this medication. I'm not out of the woods yet. I get very upset and feel suicidal due to the constant anxiety. I start feeling like if I have to feel this way forever, I can't stand it. But I'm hanging in there. I take ativan when the anxiety gets too bad. I went back to work the first of March, and that is where I have a lot of anxiety. I work in a major department store, and the constant contact with other people, especially the nasty ones, sends me into anxiety. I HATE IT! I'm going to call my pdoc, to see if some of the medications mentioned here might help meThanks to you all
Tamaram
Posted by safira on March 23, 2001, at 23:23:35
In reply to mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by paul on November 26, 1998, at 8:21:48
> YOU HAVE TO BE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND TO TAKE ANTI-EPILEPTIC MEDICINES FOR MOOD DISORDERS(KLONOPIN,DEPAKOTE,NEURONTIN ETC...) A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I WAS PRESCRIBED KLONOPIN BY A SHRINK (MAY HE AND HIS FAMILY BURN IN HELL)FOR ANXIETY AND ALSO PAXIL WHICH I DIDNT TAKE VERY LONG, WELL AFTER ABOUT 3 MONTHS I FELT LIKE I DIDNT NEED THE KLONOPIN EITHER SO I STOPPED TAKING IT. WELL NOW I AM A DOCTOR MADE EPILEPTIC AND HAVE TO TAKE MEDICINE FOR SEIZURES THE REST OF MY LIFE.I NEVER HAD SEIZUREE AT ALL NOW I HAVE GRAN-MAL ( THE KIND THAT MAKE YOU BLACK OUT SHAKE RATTLE & ROLLBITE YOUR TONGUE AND MAYBE EVEN SHIT YOUR PANTS) I WOULD RATHER BE FUCKING CRAZY THAN GO THRU THIS SHIT. AND YOU KNOW WHAT I STILL HAVE DEPRESSION AND ANXIETY.NOW THAT I LOOK BACK I COULD OF EASILY LIVED WITH THE WAY I FELT BEFORE I WENT TO THAT PIECE OF SHIT DOCTOR. SO A WORD OF ADVICE DONT LOOK TO LIFES PROBLEMS TO BE RELIEVED BY A PILL( I BET NONE OF YOUR DOCTORS HAVE WARNED YOU ABOUT THESE TYPES OF MEDS)
I have not yet read all the posts but I wanted to respond to this one first. Paul, how are you doing now? I have a pen-pal in s. africa who went through a simialr experience with klonopine, which is called rivotril there. He took too much, and then got off it too quickly and had seizures and has been diagnosed with epilepsy for the rest of his life. I am not writing this to scare anyone, because everyone responds to meds differently.
I have been on klonopine for 9 years now. I am only of 1/2 mg. now for severe social anxiety. am also on 10mg celexs for chronic depression and ocd. Nothing seems to help my ocd/depression. the klonopine does help my oce and anxiety, but it is very addictive and I am hooked on it and want to get off but am very nervous to do so. My previous efforts did not go well. I cannot up the celexa because of side effects such as agitation, talilng too much, and insomnia. Has anyone else had these effects from ssris like celexa and paxil? Also, can anyone tell me how they were able to get off klonopine? good luck too all of you, I know living with these problems is very hard
Posted by Annabelle on March 24, 2001, at 18:16:49
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by safira on March 23, 2001, at 23:23:35
>
> I have not yet read all the posts but I wanted to respond to this one first. Paul, how are you doing now? I have a pen-pal in s. africa who went through a simialr experience with klonopine, which is called rivotril there. He took too much, and then got off it too quickly and had seizures and has been diagnosed with epilepsy for the rest of his life. I am not writing this to scare anyone, because everyone responds to meds differently.
> I have been on klonopine for 9 years now. I am only of 1/2 mg. now for severe social anxiety. am also on 10mg celexs for chronic depression and ocd. Nothing seems to help my ocd/depression. the klonopine does help my oce and anxiety, but it is very addictive and I am hooked on it and want to get off but am very nervous to do so. My previous efforts did not go well. I cannot up the celexa because of side effects such as agitation, talilng too much, and insomnia. Has anyone else had these effects from ssris like celexa and paxil? Also, can anyone tell me how they were able to get off klonopine? good luck too all of you, I know living with these problems is very hard
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I have a question to all who talk about Klonopin being addictive. In what way is it addictive. I do know that one has to go off of it slowly. Is it withdrawal? What other symptoms??? I am on either .5 or 1 mg. for muscle pain and have been on it for 3 years. All I know is that it provides blessed relief
Posted by safira on March 25, 2001, at 16:43:41
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc.... » safira, posted by Annabelle on March 24, 2001, at 18:16:49
>
>
> >
All I know of about the habituation/addiction is that I had nausea, shakes, excessive nervousness trying to get off of it, but it would have not been as bad if I had been given something to substitute for the lack of the benzodiazepine in my system. I felt like, in essence, that I was going through classic withdrawal symptoms. I'm glad the klonepine exists and that it helps a lot of people, I just wish I could be on something that helps as much but not with addiction. I tried Buspar, but it did not good.
Posted by Annabelle on March 25, 2001, at 19:41:18
In reply to Re: mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by safira on March 25, 2001, at 16:43:41
Thank you for your follow-up. I do know that one time my prescription for Klonopin ran out and for some reason the Psych Nurse that prescribes for me didn't call the script in. So I was without it for about 5 days. Yeah...I did have some withdrawal shakes. But boy, did she yell at me for not getting someone else to call it in, or ask the drugstore to give me a few to hold me over. Now I know why!
Good luck to you finding the right combo of drugs.
It can be so frustrating...
Judy
Posted by bitsybabalon@yahoo.com on March 29, 2001, at 22:30:03
In reply to mood disorders/klonopin,depakote,neurontin etc...., posted by paul on November 26, 1998, at 8:21:48
I really don't read info from someone who SCREAMS the entire
letter. Truly. It's an indication of some problem
other than worry about drugs.My docs at UCLA are the *BEST* and they care deeply
for my treatment. They've been there for me asking what
side effects, however minor, I've had for any sleep
med they gave me. They are hindered by my needing them
to not give me "fun" meds that I can use in the afternoon
to calm down after a bad day.They started me on Trazodone alone. This is according to the lit a depression med but a drowsy-making one.
After a week of this I called my doc and said I had a bit of a
hangover and worse, realistic anxious nightmares every night. He
immediately called in Klonopin.I don't know what effects y'all had from this but for me it was
St. Josephs Baby Valium and not enough to sleep. So another call
to doc...he added Neurontin to the Klonopin. Doing my reading,
I found another girl who is on the same combo and mondo happy.But in any case, however it works for me, *I have docs that are
available and listen for side effects*. If they put me on something
that was "A LIVING HELL" they'd have me off of it the day I complained.What I'm trying to say is, yes, some of these meds were developed
for different purposes, but *some* of them help us.Here's my screaming part...
****IF THESE DRUGS HURT YOU RATHER THAN HELP, CALL YOUR DOCTOR!!!
IF YOUR DOCTOR DOESN'T LISTEN, ******YOU NEED A NEW DOCTOR******!!!!!That's the bottom line. Some docs are great to begin with, some
learn with you. But *all* must be available to listen to you; you
need to watch yourself for side effects and report them ASAP, and if
(as has happened to me) you are not personally capable of making those
phone calls, then please get a caregiver to do it for you...my husband
did for me, but whoever will watch you, listen and help will do.Peace, luck and love! There *is* help out there!!!
-Lauri
Posted by Beca on March 29, 2001, at 23:26:22
In reply to If the Klonopin don't work, *call your doc!*...., posted by bitsybabalon@yahoo.com on March 29, 2001, at 22:30:03
> Lauri I loved your post you put it so nicely. It 's about time someone did it, I jut didn't know how to say it, I've been to flighty lately to be able to even put words into context, but now that I am crashing and things are slowing down I can think a little more realistically. Well what I wanted to say was congratulations and yes I too have a doc like you! Beca
Posted by Annabelle on March 30, 2001, at 8:31:24
In reply to Re: If the Klonopin don't work, *call your doc!*.... » bitsybabalon@yahoo.com, posted by Beca on March 29, 2001, at 23:26:22
Lauri,
You are so correct....there is help. AND you are correct about having an 'advocate' to help you.
When you are in pain or have problems you can't get out of, it is very difficult to pull yourself up. That is when you need a strong affiliation with a doctor, OR an advocate. Don't forget that most Health Organizations and Hospitals have patient advocates and that can be very helpful.
Lauri, I got the impression that you were on Klonopin and Neurontin for sleep?? Is that right? I am on them for muscle pain...they work. They don't solve the problem, but they do help.
Good luck to you. You are so positive... please keep posting.
Annie
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