Posted by chemist on May 10, 2005, at 3:27:23
In reply to Re: doubtful, at best » chemist, posted by medhed on May 10, 2005, at 1:50:36
hello there, chemist here...my comments below delineated by asterisks...
> Chemist.
> Your book knowledge is sort of impressive, if a little long winded.**** i did not request a literature review, nor does the phrase ``long winded'' strike me as neutral. ****
But my knowledge comes from life and experience.
**** this statement implies that mine does not: i never stated that factual information with references are not just that. are you taking issue with my opinions? ****
Any druggie looking for a kick is not looking to anesthesize himself, the amount of K is much different than used in an operating room. Therefore there is no being 'put out' at recreational doses, just hallucination/dissasociation very much like PCP but more intense and shorter duration.
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> Ketamine is a pharmacutical product that is easily purchased from pharmacutical sources, most easily veterinary.**** it is a schedule III drug that is easily purchased with a prescription or a license from, among other sources, the DEA. it is no easier or harder to purchase than a schedule III drug prescribed by a doctor and filled at a pharmacy. that begs the question why any person in the normal physician-patient relationship should require a prescription for ketamine. if there are instances, i assume they are warranted. i fail to see the point. ****
Anybody getting a drug from a source that is not known should be suspect of it's quality and purity (some people don't care). I would presume AMDs specimen is somehow adulterated or not K at all if he did not get an effect, When you snort a bump of Ketamine you will know it and if it were not for the fact that a nasal sniff only lastes at most a half hour I don't think most people would take it. I won't go into IV use.
**** i assume the ``you'' above is in the general sense: i would personally not like to be identified with a group of users of ketamine and phencyclidine, thank you....****
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> The next neighborhood over from me is in Maspeth, Queens and Forest park is near. There is much, much PCP and Special K trade going on, PCP labs blow up all the time! I would like you to explain how your book told you 'this and that' to those K-heads over there in the park with symptoms that look like scizophrenia to me.**** thank you for asking. my books do not ``tell'' me things: i read them and study the material. first, i suspect that something is awry by noting the claim that PCP labs are ``blowing up all the time:'' the books i need not open would lead me to conclude that the population to which you refer is largely ignorant of undergraduate-level chemistry, knowingly breaking the law, and exploding far away from me. second, i am hardly in a position to make a medical diagnosis based upon your observations of what you refer to as people exhibiting signs of schizophrenia. if this continues to trouble you, one option is to actively get involved in seeing to the needs of your community and ensure that the population to which you refer be subjected to free and thorough medical examinations and treated for any maladies uncovered. finally, this is not my problem nor is it my duty to provide a solution as per your demands. ****
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> I don't really care but you seem so one sided on your opinions and giving absolute advise on the side of... I don't know... NON-EXPERIMENTATION. It kind of reminds me of how alot of PDOCs are built.**** my opinion is not something you have to heed or read; nor is subjective labeling - ``one sided'' - of an opinion from a person unexpected. whether you think i am what you designate a ``PDOC'' or not or whether i was naturally-birthed or, as you put it, perhaps ``built'' is more than a little insulting to me and my mother. i expect an apology. ****
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> You've said that I don't know you but I do know you are presenting yourself as an expert and not allowing for another point of view in your advice.**** you do not know me. i wrote it and did not say it. you claim i am presenting myself as an expert, yet i have made no such claims: you are the one who has labeled me an expert. i do not mediate or have any special status on this or any other web site. i am not in any position to allow or disallow how information is disseminated here. this is not my property. and if a post is made with my nom-de-plume in the subject line and advice is sought, why should i not respond with such? ****
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> I'm going to stop posting here anyway, even the the most drugged out sites on the net have more objectability than some of you guys on PB. It kind of reminds me of religion.
**** thank you for your time and insight. do not forget to address your statements concerning my birth mother as you close the door behind you. and this offspring holds a doctorate in chemistry and biochemistry, by the way. ****
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