Posted by 64Bowtie on December 10, 2008, at 21:02:46
In reply to Re: » 64bowtie, posted by Sigismund on December 5, 2008, at 18:12:25
>>> By 'out of the body experiences', do you mean depersonalisation?
<<< Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
>>> When you find yourself preferring 'whole body anaesthesia' to life or your relatives, then there you are.<<< I guess I'm missing something.
<<< Like I said before, alcohol and drugs impede the ability to manage the Out-Of-Body experience. "Depersonalisation" as you state it implies "disembodyment", which reads well in a Sci-Fi novel, but is largely involuntary and exercised by someone else on you.
<<< Coasttocoastam had an Near-Death-Experience researcher on last night. Callers ratified his claim that it is common for NDE returners to report being on the ceiling looking down on the proces of the life savers working on them, not from visually in their own body, but as if up at the ceiling. Any night we can go into dream state and actually be Out-Of-Body in an unmanaged session like an NDE.
<<< As an aside I equate the majority of vivid dreams as personal housekeeping of the leftovers of our all toooo busy days. At first it may not seem related, but the more we ruminate and contemplate the happenings in the dream, the clearer the picture of dreams as housekeeping gets. Being as there seems to be a purpose to the dreaming, the picture of managed/unmanaged tends to blur.
<<< Dreaming is a background-awareness function of vision the same as NDEs and managed OOBs. The premise for why managed OOBs can be important in crisis management is that, if I have a toothache, you can see me having the toothache, but can't feel my discomfort and pain. You can remain objective for me while we encounter a crisis. Likewise, traversing OOB while in a personal crisis, we may remain objective from our OOB vantage point. This allows for shrewd analysis and more situation appropriate behavior. Plus the ability to objectively study options, project outcomes and improve the results, before even lifting a finger.
<<< Practicing OOBs for the last 10 years or so (Nov 1998), I have discovered a vertical vectoring to the time required OOB. Depending on my familiarity with the situation, I have gone OOB and returned with optimum strategies and tactics within tens of miliseconds. Its as if time became still while I climbed up a ladder looking for information on higher and higher shelves, allowing me to descend the ladder before time restarted. And, all done within a small part of a real second of time.
<<< Could I have made the exact same decision without all the hooplah? For some people with certain experiences, the probability is high. For me, in the past maybe not so high. But since I was given the keys to this great tool, things just keep getting better and better, day by day.
<<< I'm glad I'm me, now, these days....
Rod
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