Posted by SLS on September 24, 2006, at 3:41:51 [reposted on September 25, 2006, at 0:09:10 | original URL]
In reply to Re: the brain, posted by alexandra_k on September 23, 2006, at 22:22:07
> > > What would the emergent properties of mental illness be?
> > > The behaviour?
> > Yes.
> hmm... i'm not sure how this is emergence in the sense i specified.Well, let's then refer to wikipedia afterall. It is a rather complex - or perhaps complicated is a better term - concept. If you would prefer to use the term "emergent behavior" here as emergence pertains to human behavior, that would be fine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence#Emergent_properties
My conclusion that human behavior is an emergent property/behavior of the human organism and human evolution might not be ubiquitious, but I don't see how it is avoidable.
> > > The only way to change emergent properties is to change the lower level properties that realize them.> > > I think we probably do agree. Medication, sure.
> > Why?
> because if i didn't i'd probably lose my lisence.Let us not worry about licenses to lose.
What would you do if you had your choice in treating this psychotically manic family member?
Simple question?
> > > But... I'd be interested to know why the problem emerged at that particular point in time.
> > His girlfriend had broken up with him about two weeks prior. After interviewing her, it seems that he was calling her at all hours of the night for the first week or so. Apparantly, he wasn't sleeping or eating.
> so relationship went pear shaped. i wonder whether therapy might help the person deal with such things...So, then, you would take naked Joe with his rodeo flyers asking what is in his mailbox quoting from Exodus and give him therapy. That is your answer.
> i don't know you are allowed to treat family members... you should probably refer them on... but if money isn't the issue... therapy would probably help i reckon.
THERAPY.
Finally. We have an answer.
You give psychotic manic bipolar I naked Joe therapy.
Hey, that's all I was asking.
To make things really rough on you, Joe goes on to become an ultra-rapid cycler with a period of 11 days; 8 days of severe depression followed by 3 days of mania. To make it easier on you, his 3 days of mania do not give him enough time to develop complex delusions of rodeo showmanship any longer, although messianic religiosity and public nudity are still recurring problems.
Now, about the schizophrenia.
Thanks for the explanation regarding natural kinds.
> > Let's talk about the real schizophrenia. You know, the one with the thought disorder - word salads, hearing voices, delusional paranoia, hallucinations, etc.
> Is that a natural kind?Is that essential for the conversation?
> Are there interesting generalisations that can be made on the basis of those symptoms?
I don't know. These are the things I see when I meet people who have been diagnosed with schizophrenia. These are the things I see when I read about the illness of schizophrenia. The people I meet who have the disease and display these symptoms are, to me, quite natural, if uncommon.
So, then, how are we to treat someone with a symptom cluster that includes those that I listed? We don't need to bring up Russia or fetishes anymore, now do we?
Is schizophrenia a biological disorder?
- Scott
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