Posted by bleauberry on April 4, 2010, at 14:35:43
In reply to Re: Health Care Bill Has Already Robbed » bleauberry, posted by Willful on April 3, 2010, at 0:42:25
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> "I say to anyone who likes high taxes and likes government to control as much as possible, get the heck out of the USA because that is not what this country is all about. You don't belong here. You belong somewhere where there are already high taxes and high government involvement. If you don't like the USA as it was created, go somewhere else. "
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> but given that we LIKE the new health care system and you DON"T, wouldn't it be more logical for you to leave the country and for us to stay. (Not a suggestion, just an observation about the logic of your position.)
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> WillfulI completely understand your humorous take.
In response I would say there is no possible way you or anyone else could claim they LIKE this healthcare bill for the following reasons:
1. No one knows what's in it. New details come out daily. 2000 pages that hardly anyone understands or has read completely is a lot to fathom. Being written by leftists, you can be assured it is government-friendly and citizen-unfriendly, cloaked within a costume of utopia.
2. No one knows what it is going to personally cost them. Not a clue. Not even a rough estimate.
3. No one knows if you get to keep your doctor or choice, the frequency of visits, a short wait time, a choice of brand versus generic, or anything.
4. No one knows yet if some white coat panel is going to deny your treatment because it costs too much.It is impossible to LIKE something you don't know what's in it. All we know at this point are very general things on the surface.
It is impossible to know if you like something that hasn't even been experienced yet, something that won't even start until 4 years from now.
To like the bill, you must know more than I do. For example, you do know for a fact because you've seen it in writing and you know that in 4 years or 10 years it is still guaranteed, that:
1. It will cost less than my Blue Cross does.
2. The yearly increases will be less than my Blue Cross.
3. I can see any doctor of my choice.
4. I can see a doctor once a week, once a month, once a quarter, once a year, whatever, any schedule I want.
5. I can freely choose between brand or generic as I do now.
6. Freedoms of all kinds, in medicine, enjoyed today will either remain the same or increase, but not in any way diminish.
7. My wait time for an appointment will remain in the 2 to 4 week range as it is now.If those are true, then hey, I might change to liking this thing to.
Tell me what pages they are on. Somewhere in that 2000 pages.
My broader question still goes unanswered. Show me one example in history, a country, or a state, where government managed healthcare lived up to the rose garden promise of greater care and less cost that it promised.
Plenty of reasons to be suspicious, if not outright disliking.
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