Posted by yxibow on November 11, 2008, at 21:56:52
In reply to Re: Keith Olberman on Prop 8 » rayww, posted by fayeroe on November 11, 2008, at 13:23:50
> I don't want to offend anyone who is gay, but I'm not even sure they are aware of this, or what they are doing by pressing their lifestyle on the GP.
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> Sounds as if someone put their money where their mouth is.
> http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid64163.aspWell, I am offended. Its not a "lifestyle" or a "choice". I am gay, because I was born that way.
I first knew at 12, even if my parents were reacting that you don't know yet when I told them at 15 (you're too young or whatever) and there was the "no grandchildren" sigh and all that -- didn't really matter, my parents loved me, they were just going through a thought process that took probably 5 years before my mother was pointing out gay and lesbian issues in the news.
I had an *ssh*l* of a childhood psychologist looking back (later really it was pointed out that I had OCD) who, yes I really went too far and pressed his "Christian religious agenda" (if we are on the subject of that) on me when I said I was gay and told me to masturbate to women, like that was going to change anything about how I felt about the men of Melrose Place.
It was the psychological process that triggered the psychiatric inevitability towards biological OCD because I had "magical thinking" that if I masturbated people would know I was gay at school-- yes, it is an extreme OCD, but there was this spreading ick of semen and eventually everything bathroom like and washing hands and showers that lasted 7 hours, and hands that turned bone white, and finally hospitalization after graduation because I knew I couldn't go any further.
After hospitalization and day treatment, I volunteered and actually worked for a prominent doctor I cannot name, helping the program. I saw more money for a 17 year old than I would have seen before and it empowered my self-worth.
I became social and met a curious and interesting group of friends and had nightlife and companionship and a place of acceptance for the first time.
I went to college.
Yes, those days are long ago and people have moved on in their careers, I look at them of course with rosy lenses, and now with this huge complex somatoform "orphan" disorder
(meaning largely that I feel for people but I don't identify like, there are a lot of people with BP, or TRD, or pure OCD like I used to have and fought on my own -- this one is really different and one I don't know all the tools to extricate myself from and feel that self-worth again).
I feel separate but still distantly connected from the same peers by illness -- I need to be part of society but its been a long and arduous 7 years.
But this is getting into psychology and psychiatry, getting back to the statement -- some gay and lesbian people may be very angry, and they have the right to be, because in this country........where there should be the separation of church and state, one church decided that they had to "press their lifestyle on the GP".
And if you enter the political arena, you're going to get people angered and admittedly some potty mouth things and some people may go overboard, but these things are about single issue things that should be a fundamental right.
Personally I think that marriage should be a government contract for all.
You go to your nearest office, and you pay a notary and you get your certificate, and then you go to your church, temple, mosque, gardens of choice and have a religious service and an afterparty and rejoice in your own way.
The articles about the "gay mafia" -- yes, I read parts of that in the Advocate -- the headliner is a canard, a play on words -- it just means people behind the scenes, influential people in the gay and lesbian community who want to see our rights secured.
Yes, our rights. As humans, as human as anybody else. We have an old Constitution, Canada has a new and evolving one, the Charter of Rights and Freedom. And it was from that that gay and lesbian marriage was held up by the Crown Court as singling out a particular segment of society.-- Jay
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