Posted by alexandra_k on February 4, 2006, at 17:40:56
In reply to Re: okay so maybe i'm missing something..., posted by AuntieMel on February 4, 2006, at 14:02:38
> I have no idea there... but that wasn't the original topic - Iran was.
yes. but you said that the us didn't want anybody to have them who didn't have them presently - and i gave that as a counter-example to show that the us isn't opposed to (some) other countries having nuclear weapons. in fact... nz was faced with trade sanctions precisely because we refused to have nuclear power / weapons on our territory.
> And I would be happy if there were no nukes anywhere. But it's hard to figure out how to put the cat back in the bag.well... first the us needs to worry about itself and get rid of theirs. and the same goes for the uk etc. get rid of them. and there it is.
> > oh. sorry - but how is this any of america's business?
> Actually, It's the United Nation's business. The US isn't the only country worried about this.
okay. i just thought things might be leading up to the us going in to 'help' like what happened with iraq...
> I think the world should disarm, too. But no one will ever go first.
accountability. i really do despair for humanity sometimes. i really really do.
> So we need to think or another way.
:-( i think people shouldn't be allowed to have them. period. they should be destroyed. i really don't understand the world sometimes.
> In the meanwhile it does no one any good to have other countries join the group, does it?
depends who's 'side' you are on. nukes. if a country has nukes then that is seen as a sign of power / authority. thats why the arms race etc. like the race to beat the jonses and have the biggest suv or whatever. i think the people with nukes are being hypocritical in saying another country can't have them. i think they should destroy their own and then people might start taking what they have to say a little more seriously...
> Start here. Remember that the only reason for uranium enrichment is weapons:
hmm...
>http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5629
> http://www.zaman.com/?bl=hotnews&alt=&trh=20060204&hn=29404
> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-02/04/content_4135719.htmokay. i will have a look... i am concerned about who is sponsoring these papers... i am concerned about why their should be an english speaking newspaper over there (kind of like how the iraq newssource was controlled by... was it fox?). i would think the news the people would be reading wouldn't be in english...
but i shall have a look...
> and about the new president:
>http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5621he got voted in democratically eh?
i do worry about democracy sometimes.
lets say (solely for arguments sake) that the majority want to annihilate another nation or whatever. who is to say that the masses know what is best... sigh. but then i worry about that (to a slightly lesser extent admittedly) regarding us, canadian, australian, british, kiwi etc elections too...
> > my concern here is that i read somewhere that around 5 or maybe more of the major us businesses in the top 10 rely on oil for their success. what that means... well i'm sure they don't want to change the status quo too much.
> I would like to see that. I find it hard to believe.i'll find the link. no problem.. i've posted it before.
> Who needs plantations? We've got several places (things start small) using recycled restaraunt oil to make diesel. It doesn't require a hybrid car, either. Any diesel car can use it.woo hoo. :-) is it cheaper than diesel?
> How so? The pollution was created by cheaply made communist era steel mills factories.
okay - that specific instance.
> I think we should sign Kyoto, too, but it doesn't do anything about the pollution from rising populous countries.
because they haven't signed?
currently the suprising exceptions are australia and the us.> Got anything to back that up?
(sorry - lost that bit...)
> We do recycling where I live, too. With curbside pickup so it doesn't take much effort at all.
yep. in germany they have curbside pickup (i think it is curbside) of: paper, plastic (a couple different grades), green glass, brown glass, white glass. each is a different thing and gets recycled with its own type. we have paper and a bin for plastic / glass. i think maybe the quality of the recycled product isn't as high for mixing the different glasses... but could be wrong... i might check actually...
> It's difficult to do the economics of drilling (the investment for just one well is huge) when you have no clue what it will sell for.
money...
er... what about the environment again?sigh.
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