Posted by Larry Hoover on March 5, 2007, at 17:18:48
In reply to Re: Waxy flexibility, posted by Squiggles on March 5, 2007, at 15:57:01
> > > Take a look at this site. The condition has more
> > > causes that CFS; infact there is some debate (Max Fink) that it may be a sub-type of Catatonia.
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> > > http://www.emedicine.com/neuro/topic708.htm
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> > > Squiggles
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> > The paper barely mentions Fink. Does he argue somewhere that CFS?? is a subtype of catatonia? (Your semantics are unclear.)> and here is an excerpt from Fink and Taylor, suggesting that its clinical meaning be removed from the past association exclusively to schizophrenia and replaced by a psychopathological syndrome resulting from a multitude of illnesses, such as neuroleptic malignant syndrome
I fail to see the slightest connection to the original theme of this thread.
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> Of course, it is a matter of controversy. I am sorry that I mentioned Fink and CFS together.The issue was catatonia with CFS, according to what you first said, yet you provide belated evidence of catatonia being arguably a subtype of schizophrenia. Again, what has this to do with CFS?
> I still say that it *is* imaginable that the symptoms of CFS have much in common with catatonia
They could not be more different. Thay are like chalk and cheese. There is not one symptom in common, unless you were to blindly say something like "well, neither one moves much".
> > Max Fink never met a patient he wouldn't administer ECT upon.
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> Ah, I'm sure that is a hyperbole or perhaps an indication of your esteem of Dr. Fink.He once crowed (in a book he wrote) that he had shocked subjects as young as 3 and as old as 96. He is part owner of a company that makes ECT devices, and receives royalties both from training videos and device sales. ECT has never been approved by the FDA for any purpose, but was grandfathered in, in 1955.
> He ECTs Parkinson's and Alzheimer's patients, and autistic children.
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> So does Healy; I haven't heard too many criticisms against him.Healy has no connection whatsoever with ECT, as far as I know. But he most certainly knows better than to send sin wave electricity through the brain of a Parkinson's or Alzheimer's patient. Check Pubmed for Fink bragging about shocking 'mentally retarded' (sic) children. According to Fink, the treatment worked.
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> > And what on Earth has any of this to do with CFS/ME?
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> I don't know what you mean.
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> SquigglesThe theme of the thread you started?
Lar
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