Posted by Larry Hoover on November 1, 2004, at 7:52:17
In reply to Re: Q about paint dust, posted by gromit on October 27, 2004, at 1:48:47
> > Non-restorative sleep is a key issue to resolve. I suspect that what you're calling daytime sleepiness is nothing more than sleep failing to do its job of permitting you to wake fully rested.
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> That is what my doctor called it, not me. I think he is a quack which is why I'm searching for a new and improved pdoc. I don't know, I sleep like the dead when I finally fall asleep, but actually I do better with very little sleep over the short term, eventually it catches up to me.Okay, it sounds like a different thing altogether.
> I agree a diagnosis is a means to an end and I don't understand why doctors are so hung up on it. I mean I understand the whole scientific method thing, but it seems to me that is important on the research end of things not the business end.
Unfortunately, doctors are trained to select from presenting symptoms (many are irrelevant to diagnosis), contemplate clusters to get diagnosis (running extra tests as needed), then shaping treatment based on diagnosis. Symbolically, thats sx --> dx --> tx.
It's intellectual laziness, IMHO, to not reinvestigate the symptom relief part. The question ought to be, "Did tx relieve sx?". If not, perhaps dx is flawed. Most doctors treat the dx, not the sx.
> > Only if you're weasingGeez, my spelling is getting really bad.....wheezing.....I used to win spelling bees, teachers came to me for spellings, they called me "Webster" on the playground. I'm getting old.
>>, feeling a struggle to breathe. Emphysema, for example, or asthma that doesn't respond to meds.
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> No, those days are behind me since quiting smoking and breathing toxins 10 hrs a day.Good to know.
> > Yes, not to mention the stuff in the air. You become used to the daily exposure, hardly noticing the smell. Yet, someone comes into the shop for the first time, and it's overwhelming.
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> This made me laugh out loud, I used to really enjoy the suits walking in and watching them go all rubber chicken. I guess the joke was on me though.I lived with a guy who did bodywork. His work clothes were toxic waste, but he insisted that he "cleaned up after work" and that I was over-reacting. I had to take meals in another part of the house.
> > Also, skin contact permits direct trans-cutaneous exposure. Skin is remarkably porous, especially to organic solvents, as they dissolve into the skin.
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> Yeah, and I used to help it by spraying thinner on my hands thru a spray gun.Oh geez. There is an excrutiatingly painful and treatment-resistant syndrome that develops following exposure to high-pressure hydraulic fluid, as from a small leak in a line. It goes right through the skin.
> > I suppose I got a fairly decent helping of intelligence, way back when, but for many years, I just about did my utmost to destroy that all. Have you ever seen the anti-drug commercial where they represent a brain as a bunch of coiled wires, and drugs are like wire cutters, breaking connections? Sparks flying, smoke in the air? I was using bolt cutters, and hey, I came out the other side. One example....I purposely overdosed on PCP every day for over a year. Me and the boys, we were playing overdose chicken. First guy to come to, was a wuss.
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> Well you don't seem short on intelligence, but that was not your finest hour, I'm not a big religious guy but there was a reason you made it past this and other things.Thank you.
I waited to answer this post because of this line. It still gives me the tingles. One of my disabilities, growing up in a dysfunctional environment, is not knowing how to take a compliment. I had to be taught, as an adult, that the most appropriate response is the simplest one. I had learned, "Yes, but....".
> > Thank you. I am a gifted public speaker. I try to write like I speak.
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> Well I envy you there, I'm more of a private speaker myself although not really too gifted.You write well. That's a piece of the puzzle. Toastmasters might be something you'd enjoy.
> > I don't know where your "geek threshold" is, but a guy by the name of Pall has developed a unifying theory for chronic fatigue, PTSD, and multiple chemical sensitivity (your solvent exposure may have been the triggering stimulus). Here's a link to a full-text article. The intervention is antioxidant supplementation, and increased intake of the substances which are damaged by oxidative stress. More, anon.
> > http://www.fasebj.org/cgi/content-nw/full/16/11/1407
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> > There are hotlinks in the references. Make sure you click on reference #28.
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> Well my geek factor has been reduced considerably as of late, but I did manage to read and mostly understand #28. Arghh, I have been taking arginine for the last month for the purpose of increasing NO. I also take lecithin to try to increase my choline which I though was a good thing, but then I always seem to pick the slowest line at the supermarket too.Do you want to talk about some specifics, then? If you're taking arginine, can I presume that you might have ED? Having a problem with one aspect of a pathway often perturbs other aspects of it. The peroxynitrite feedback loop is going to mess with anything that involves NO synthase.
> Thanks
> RickYou're welcome.
Lar
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