Posted by Lou Pilder on February 17, 2008, at 15:30:32
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to Dena-grtglf » Lou Pilder, posted by Dena on February 16, 2008, at 23:04:37
> Yes, Lou -- I believe that.
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> I've come to believe that as He was dying, and He prayed to His Father, saying, "forgive them, for they don't know what they're doing," that He was not focused on those who had acted out the execution, nor was He focused on the ones who had pronounced the sentence, nor the ones who desired Him dead (clearly, NONE of them knew what they were doing). I believe He was thinking of ALL of us -- all human beings -- for none of us knows what we're doing, either, and He knows that better than we do. I believe He was choosing to be a "cure" for that which was killing us. And, I dare to believe that His Father did not deny Him in answering that prayer, and that one way or another, no matter what it takes, or how long (firey ordeals, whether in this age or the age to come), that His prayer, and His "cure" will indeed redeem everyone.
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> I also no longer believe that His Father forsake Him, or separated Himself from Him, as He was dying -- I no longer believe that He leaves us when we do wrong things.
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> I believe that when I choose to do selfish, or harmful things, that I may FEEL like God has turned away from me (my false perception, due to spiritual darkness at that moment), but that He is still there, with me, understanding, wooing me to Him.
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> I believe that when the One who is The Way was dying, and took on all the sins of the world, becoming the Cure, He only PERCEIVED that God had forsaken Him, but He was right there, for they cannot be separated.
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> Likewise, I believe that nothing can separate me from the love of God - nothing.
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> I believe that He responded to my plea to Him -- as HE will with anyone.
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> Shalom, Dena
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Dena,
You wrote,[...Yes,...I believe that...a cure for that which is killing us...fiery ordeals...with anyone...].
[...The tree of Life..the heart of man...the kingdom of God...the great gulf...the many mansions...the temple of God...the natural man...the spititual man...the wicked heart...the crown of life...the hidden manna...they know not...].
We have been talking here about what the bible says or desn't say about suicide. We have been talking about the beast that John saw that came out of the sea. We have been talking about that one could eat of the Tree of Life and have God-life, eternal life, a spiritual life and that the natural man's mind is a carnal mind that leads to death and that a spiritual mind leads to life and peace.
There were trees in the garden. And it has been revealed to me that man is symbolic as a tree. As a Jew reading John's penned book the symbol of the tree stands glaringly out at me and I am led to the book called Isaiah, the 61st chapter, verses 1 and on as we read,
[...The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to declare good tidings to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted and proclaim liberty to the captives...and to comfort all those that mourn.
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called a trees of rightiousness, The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified....].
it has been revealed to me that when I passed over the great gulf that I have been writing about, I found myself in The House of the Lord. All things were new, for I had a new spirit and a new heart. I felt as a mansion in The Father's House.
Man left the garden with a natural heart, for he did not eat of the tree of life that could have given him a spiritual heart. It has been revealed to me that the natural man with a natural heart can not eat of the tree of life, for the tree of life is a spiritual tree. And we can become spiritual beings with a spiritual heart. And we can be born over with a new heart and a new spirit.
And when I passed over the great gulf there was a Rider on a White Horse to meet me. He said to me, "I will give you a new heart, and put a new spirit within you. I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh. I will put my spirit within you. Then you shall dwell in the land that David wrote about, The House of the Lord, and you will be in my family and I will be your God, for in My Father's House, there are many mansions."
Lou
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