Posted by Lou Pilder on January 20, 2008, at 12:26:56
In reply to Lou's reply to Dena-bbyurarchmn2 » Dena, posted by Lou Pilder on January 20, 2008, at 9:52:16
> > Lou, you wrote:
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> > "Think, Lou. If you serve the god of riches, can you serve your God?"
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> > A friend of mine has just written a book about this... he's brilliant (as I've surmised you are as well), and so much of what he's written is over my head... as is much of what you write...
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> > I WANT to understand this more, I am an earnest and desperate seeker of Truth. I have questioned and put aside much of what I've been taught by traditional religion, and seek after what is True. I pray daily to not be led into deception, and/or to be taken out of whatever deception I've already been taught. I trust that I hear His voice, and that He will lead me.
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> > I believe that if I seek Him with all my heart, He will be found...
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> > I am wanting to understand you, and to discover what truth may be in the shocking things you are revealing.
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> > I sense that you are doing so in a systematic way, so as to not be overly shocking, and cause us, your readers, to shut down our minds. I sense that you're also working hard to honor the guidelines given here on this forum, which can limit the way in which you can communicate.
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> > Given all of that, Lou, I am yet frustrated that I am not catching on to what you're saying... I do not yet see the connections between the Masons (which, I must be honest, I have always been taught, by my former religious organization, was a group to be held in suspiscion... but I'm willing to question that as well, and to hear what you have to say).
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> > Lou, I've known you for about 7 years now, through this forum and via email... and I've come to respect you, and to admire your integrity. But I must confess that I find your method of communication to be difficult to follow... and I so badly WANT to "get it".
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> > I didn't have "ears to hear" 7 years ago, and I believe I do now. At least, better. Can you help me, and the others who may be like me, to understand what you're saying? Can you be more clear? Can you connect the dots?
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> > I hope the intent of my heart comes through my words, Lou... for you are a friend, and I do want to learn, and to understand.
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> > Shalom, Dena
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> > "The unanswered questions aren't nearly as dangerous as the unquestioned answers."
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> Dena,
> You wrote,[...I want to understand...put aside...seek after...in a systematic way...not be led into deception and be tsken out of any deception...I hear...If I seek Him...not catching on...the Masons...difficult to follow...and I..want to get it..."ears to hear" ...now...can you help me...connect the dots...].
> Dena,
> The book called Revelation is a book of symbols. The symbols used by John, a Jew, were given to him as a revelation.
> Let us look at the thirteenth chapter from verse one.
> [..And I stood upon the sand of the sea and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven head and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy...].
> The symbols there have been revealed to me. There is {the sea} and {the sand} and {a beast}.
> I have stood on that sand. I have seen the beast rise up out of the sea.
> And going back to chapter one, verse 10 John pens,[...I was in Spirit...and heard behind me a great voice, as a trumpet saying "I am the Alpha and the Omega"...]. I stood on sand. I heard a voice like a trumpet. I saw the One that spoke. It was a warning. And it was a revelation. The rest of the book reveals the warning and the revelation that ties in what man is with the destiny of man and how one can Overcome.
> But what of this beast? Why walking on the sand? What is the warning? What can one do?
> The subject of 666 is symbolizing what we are talking about as one part of the major warning.
> You see, Solomon was a rich man. Maybe the richest of all time. But what about this {beast}?
> Let us look at the Hebrew scriptures in Ecclesiastes 3:18
> [...I said in my heart concerning the condition of the sons of men, that God might test them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts...].
> A test. A test to see that they are {beasts}.
> The 666 is the number of all men. The number has a word from the scriptures that is revealed to be the {name} of man. I havn't written that word here yet, because you see that I am using a systematic way here.
> You see, when I was walking on sand, I was lost. I did not know where I was. I do not think that John said that he knew where he was. I think that he was lost also. He saw the beast come out of the {sea}. The sea is a symbol. The beast is a symbol. The sand is a symbol. Readers are directed to Solomon. What is synbolic about Solomon? Maybe your a rich man to?
> LouDena,
The statement in the KJV of Rev 13:18 can be translated mor than one way. The KJV has it,[...for it is {the} number of (a) man...]
Other translations could be,[...for it is man's number...].
If the KJV translation is used, one can come up with many names that total 666 by what is known as{gematria}. You could either use the name in Hebrew or Greek and put titles in the name to have it total 666. .
But a {name} can be a descriptive name also. So the translation as {man's number} could be some name that describes all mankind, {both male and female}. In the book called revelation, a horse has the use of {description}. In chapter 6 verse 8 it reads,[...a pale horse and him that sat on him was Death...].
Looking at chapter 13 in verse 16 now, we read;
[...And he causes {all}, both small and great, rich and poor...to receive the mark in their right hand and their foreheads...].And then verse 17;
[...And that {no} man might buy or sell, save the mark of the beast, or the number of his name...].
This could be everybody? It says that {all} are to receive the mark in their right hand and their foreheads and {no man} might buy or sell...
Now if it is all that have the mark, then are we not talking here about all men? (all humanity).
I have not written here yet about the {right hand and forehead} yet.
IN Rev 7:3 we see;
[...Hurt not the earth...till we have sealed the servants of our God {>in< their foreheads}...]. Referring to the forehead of a person is generally a biblical metaphore for the {mind} of a person, being that it is {in} their forehead. I can tie this in with the verse that I cited previously here,[...to be carnally minded is death...].
As I walked on that sand, I was lost and saw the beast come out of the sea. Then a Rider on a White Horse appeard. I said to Him that I was lost. He answerd to me," Lou, did not Isaiah say, "All we like sheep have gone astray"?
Then the Rider said to me, "I will seek that which was lost and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick."
Lou
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