Posted by g_g_g_unit on March 22, 2008, at 17:39:50
In reply to Re: Is there such thing as a brain cleanse? 03 bleauberry, posted by bleauberry on March 22, 2008, at 14:03:14
> > if i posted the ingredients here would you
> >mind telling me your opinion because i often >feel like she's just pushing stuff on me >because she is obviously receiving some kind of >cut tho i have already shelled out a lot on it >all so it would be worth knowing whether or not >i completely wasted my time.
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> Definitely.thanks, i appreciate that. well the first contains:
panax gingseng root, dry (siberian gingseng) 495mg
angelia polymorpha root, dry (dong quai) 495mg
poria cocos whole plant, dry (poria) 495mg
nephelium longana fruit, dry (longane) 495mg
polygala sibirica root, dry (siberian milkwort) 495mg
atractylodes macrocephala root, dry (atractylodes) 495mg
zizyphus spinosa seed, dry (chinese date) 495mg
astragalus membranaceus root, dry (astragakus) 495mg
bupleurum falcatum root, dry (bupleurum) 495mg
gardeina florida fruit, dry (gardenia) 330mg
zizyphus jujuba fruit, dry (chinese jujube) 330mg
citrus reticulata fruit peel, dry (mandarin peel) 150mg
zingiber officinale root, dry (ginger) 120mg
glycyrrhiza galbra root, dry (liquorice) 115mgdose = 3 capules twice daily
the next contains:
zizyphus spinosa seed, dry (chinjujube-chinese) 3,0g
pueraria lobata, root dry (kudzu vine) 2.0g
magnolia officinalis, bark dry (magnolia) 1.5g
passiflora incarnata, herb dry (passion flower) 1.3g
as a disclaimer i should add neither were purposely prescribed for "adrenal fatigue", more for symptoms i described and what she assumed my body had been thru after the abrupt cessation of meds, tho my adrenals did come up ..
> >me off meds cold-turkey and he's convinced that >both remeron & prozac have a durable enough >half-life that it wasn't an issue.
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> You just have to feel it out. Quitting psych drugs is always an issue. It will be different for everyone. The long halflives help but are no guarantee of anything.
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> >he recommended that i stop reading sites like >these and take my lexapro like a good boy >because everything i'm experiencing is >psychosematic. anyway, thanks in advance
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> "Doctors are down on what they are not up on."
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> Unless they have studied Dr bob's website, they have no idea that it is a phenomenal source of personal support, education, and guidance to where to learn more. Unless they visit Yahoo chelation forums or adrenal fatigue forums, they have no idea what real people find truly beneficial in treatment. They have no idea how many sufferings and failures can be prevented by learning from the experience of others that went the same path before you did. Doctors are very busy. Hard to keep up when so busy. I think it is good to not be obsessed with forums and to force oneself to stay away from the computer unless seeking specific information. While your doctor thinks it is all in your head, why not take a lab test and find out. I do not think it is all in your head.
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> As for adrenal fatigue, starting with herbs is common. Some, but few, do ok with that. The next step is adrenal cortex extract...though many will prescribe adrenal whole extract, not what you want. Lots of people do indeed find considerable benefit with adrenal cortex extract. Top names that people at Yahoo forums swear by are Isocort and Allergy Research Products. I am a rare exception that did not feel good on either of those. Forget the health food store brands and whatever brand your practioner pushes. Insist on one of the two names above because there are hundreds of documentable real sufferers that praise those two. The next step if nothing has worked is Hydrocortisone. Nearly all doctors will frown on that unless there is a strong patient-doctor relationship or unless it is one of the rare doctors who understands adrenal fatigue. It can be ordered on the net from one place I am aware of. People find considerable benefit with anything from 2.5mg once a day to 5mg 4 times a day. Never exceed 20mg a day because that can shut down the adrenals instead of giving them assist. All you want is a "physiological replacement" dose for what is missing. We're not talking the large doses used in other medical situations that have caused the negative effects that scare doctors away from learning more about. Again, they are down on what they are not up on. There are doctors who know this stuff. The Marino Center in Massachussettes, where most of the doctors also teach at Harvard Medical School, have prescribed HC for adrenal fatigue to patients who have tried other things and have had tests to rule out other things. The most popular one on the net is Wilson. Google Wilson and adrenal fatigue. You will probably frighten your practioner with your detailed expertise.
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> Other than that, dietary changes can make a difference and sometimes a cure. They include avoiding stimulants (caffeine) and avoiding sugars, including sugary fruits and veggies. Diets are limited to mostly meats and low starch veggies. Rest and pacing oneself is important too. Even if feeling good and energetic for a moment, purposely slow down and take it easy.
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i guess another disclaimer is that prior to my experience with this, i did suffer from intense bouts of OCD. part of me believes that what i am experiencing falls somewhere uncertainly been withdrawal and some amplification of those effects on the part of an OCD sensibility. either way i will be meeting with a new pdoc who i've been recommended as soon as possible. i think in the meantime operate on a small (5mg) dose of lexapro just to stabilise me. otherwise, regardless of whether how i feel is 'psychosematic' or not i would like to use my time on lexapro to instate more long-term solutions. i have already made steps towards cutting out wheat and fruit, and also dramatically upping my fish intake and have found some relief from that. and pending this new pdoc is as compassionate as i'm told he is (my last was a total android), i'll definitely approach him about lab tests etc. which my other pdoc vetoed.my last question is, in the instance that 5mg of lexapro is okay and i do continue on that for a while, say a) the above herb mixtures are okay, is it possible to use them in conjunction with lexapro is that kind of self-defeating? and b) say the above herb mixtures are not okay, is it possible to use a more targeted adrenal program / experiment with items you mentioned earlier (Acetyl-l-carnitine, etc.) in conjunction with lexapro, or is that kind of self-defeating?
thanks again for your time
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