Posted by mila s on October 9, 2006, at 12:12:09
In reply to Re: magnesium » mila s, posted by Jlx on October 8, 2006, at 22:45:10
Thanks JLx, I will try magnesium again wiht CoQ10, and probiotics. I have been taking biotin for over a year now (usually 1000 to 1500mcg). I may also try adding taurine as has been suggested on that site.
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> That's a very modest amount of magnesium to be giving you diarrhea. It could be the type of magnesium, but I wonder also about "leaky gut syndrome". See the discussion about that in connection to magnesium, taurine and depression on George Eby's page about magnesium, depression and stress: http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#leakyg
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> Later on he says:
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> "Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) has been reported by some people to minimize the loose bowels normally found using large amounts of magnesium. Very little information concerning this effect has been found in the literature, but the effect to those that have tried 100 mg CoQ10 with each dose of magnesium has been remarkable. Here is a link to "Altered Immunity & The Leaky Gut Syndrome" by Dr. Zoltan P. Rona MD, MSc, that goes into the biochemistry of leaky gut syndrome and what can be done about it better than any other article that I have found. CoQ10 is mentioned here, but little emphasis is placed on it. Looking into the relationship between yeasts and CoQ10, one finds that ubiquinones (in the human it is CoQ10) are essential for oxidative phosphorylation in both yeasts and humans. The human coenzyme Q, CoQ10, is also administered orally for the treatment of heart disease and other disorders. Some patients, however, require much higher doses than others to attain a therapeutic CoQ10 blood level. C. A. Krone et al. proposes that one possible explanation for this variability is excessive Candida colonization of the human GI tract. Many common medical treatments including antibiotics and anti-hyperchlorhydric agents increase the risk of GI tract Candida colonization. Subsequent uptake and utilization of supplemental CoQ10 by excessive yeast could diminish availability for the human subject. Data from one patient and an in vitro pilot study using two pathogenic strains of C. albicans supported Krone's hypothesis. If C. albicans in the GI tract can hinder availability and interfere with therapeutic effects of CoQ10, it could be of clinical significance for large numbers of depressed people having loose bowels from magnesium. Consequently, one can see a cause and effect relationship between ingestion of large amounts of CoQ10 and relief from loose bowels and diarrhea, thus improved recovery from depression due to improved absorption of magnesium. Consequently, the yeasts get fed their CoQ10 before we do, and sometimes we starve!"
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> Do you already take probiotics?
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> There are also some herbal formulas available for anti-Candida. NOW brand has one that includes oregano oil and pau d'arco that I've tried.
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> I also read somewhat recently that biotin is effective against the byproduct of candida, acetaldehyde, which is what is the problem.
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> Other good forms of magnesium are magnesium glycinate (well absorbable, chelated with amino acid glycine -- but may be sedating) magnesium orotate (considered especially good for the heart), magnesium citrate, magnesium malate, and magnesium chloride.
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> Contraindicated for depression are magnesium aspartate, and magnesium glutamate.
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> And don't forget the option of a nice long bath soak with Epsom salts -- magnesium sulfate.
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> JL
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