Posted by Willyee on February 10, 2005, at 0:10:45
In reply to Re: Phenibut.....hmm, posted by sabre on February 9, 2005, at 0:56:41
I personaly respond horrable to gaba alone,it creates more anxiety,depression,etc.I am a good respondent to a good clenaish stimulant.......and to cut that edge of avoiding people to work on a projector trying to take over the world THEN a small amount of gaba added works great to give that social nudge,to allow one to want to be around people.
I have come to this conclusion by the following.......
Parnate - When it works,and its now a big when,depression is gone,but ill be fine in my room cleaning or working on my pc or anything like that,sometimes there is a hyperness,and mild anxiety,not the bad kind.At this point many forms of gaba help,the best maybe being a small pieace of klonopin,which will make me wanna call and talk to a friend or go out.
Liquid deprenyl - Alone it made me alert,i felt smart and confident,but tasks were the only thing i wanted to do,with a small pieace of klonopin added i would go out.
GHB- The mother of sedatives,lots of people love the initial high,i hated it,i layed down and closed my eyes during it,its the dopamine release,which was great,there u had the dopamine stimulant effect of energy,as well as the sedative effects on the muscle tone and pace of thinking remained.
One of my great sins was when i was lucky enough to have parnate work,and i was out shooitng pool,i had that tenseness,a bacardi silver or two taken slowly made me feel wow,smart confident anxiety free,great! Of course takin an Maoi and beer is not a smart move.
My final thoughts for me are i dont mess with sedatives like benzos,nueroleptics,even beer unless its to ease anxiety from a WORKING anti-deprassant,only then do i get a combination of anti depressant action as well as anti social effects,parnate alone will not make me social.
P.S Ever notice the difference of a gaba induced sleep from like ambien.....to a dopamine induced sleep like parnate of ghb rebound......a gaba sleep knocks u out cold,and u have a rough sleep waking like u been in a coma.A dopamine sleep is when u lay down and think,not racing thoughts,but u think of normal things and relax,and u then fall asleeep upon thinking,you wake with ur eyes wide open u turn to the sidec close ur eyes and smile,u r ready to get out of bed and u dont feel like u been drugged,i may be alone here but its quite a difference of sleep to me.
> Thanks Willyee for your advice about Phenibut.
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> Phenibut has proved to be too weird for me.
> I tried around 300mg each morning for 3 consecutive days.
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> Each morning I woke up feeling more anxious and fearful. I think it might have something to do with lowering blood sugar. I also noticed this taking GABA and Picamilon but to a lesser degree.
> They all seem to chew the fat off your stomach too! Perhaps they would be good for marathoners wishing to train their bodies to burn fat more efficiently. Not pleasant..but effective.
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> I usually go for a morning run and I noticed the sort of feeling you get when you are glycogen depleted and working on fats. A lot of heavy breathing and the feeling you want to lie in the dirt and go to sleep half way through the run. After running yesterday I spent the morning trying to study and found I couldn't. I felt like a stunned mullet - spaced out and flaccid.
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> I felt more anxious around people and also had difficulty finding words a few times. Definitely anti social.
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> Immediately after a meal I felt more even and calm but it didn't last long.
> Being on Phenibut feels unpredictable.
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> I don't feel motivated to keep pushing on with this supplement. Or should I perservere for 6 weeks like you would with a prescription drug?
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> I don't know what to make of it. If you have a bad reaction to GABA supplements does this mean you have or haven't a problem with GABA? Tryptophan was bad too, so does that rule serotonin in or out? Does the body react badly when the receptors are few so that any supplement or drug just drowns them? Or is it the case of having just the right amount of serotonin and GABA in your body so that any extra causes turmoil?
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> Tyrosine was good but nor strong enough. Do you interpret this to mean that it is probably the root of my evil????
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> Glutamine is next!! But I'll wait until I'm feeling normal...my normal that is.
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> sabre
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