Posted by raybakes on October 11, 2004, at 14:19:45
In reply to What'dya think of leaky gut syndrome?..Ray?, posted by tealady on October 11, 2004, at 9:11:23
> A doc (antiaging) who is standing in for my doc is into "leaky gut syndrome"..detoxes of gut first then liver detox.
> By "into" I mean he thinks almost all problems are caused by "leaky gut"...which if there is an absorption problem.. agree things may be fixed if absorption can be fixed..but
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> As far as my understanding goes all cells "leak"(maybe 20-25%?)...but maybe there can be some cells more leaky than they should be?
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> On my first vist (I had to get a few scripts for thyroid meds etc) he "tested" me for leaky gut syndrome.
> I can't find this test by googling on the net.
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> It involved
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> ferric chloride
> HCl hydrochoric acid
> choloform (anesthetic I guess)
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> add urine sample
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> if bubbles and cloudy..supposed to mean you have leaky gut syndrome....?
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> Test went like(from watching)..the Ferric Cl and HCl combines with urine and sits on top of the choroform..after shaking ..bubbles(tiny) are seen and the choroform goes cloudy colour..bubbles in choroform and a bit in urine, Ferric Cl,HCl mix
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> Apparently after the gut detox this urine test does not go cloudy or have bubbles.
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> I cannot figure out what happened in the test.
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> I'm only asking as you said you knew a bit about liver detox...wondered if you had heard of this one?
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>Hi Jan, haven't heard of this particular test - I've had the gut permeability test that uses mannitol and lactulose - sugars of different molecule size, one of which can only pass through the gut wall if the gut is leaky.
I would guess that your test goes cloudy when there is undigested food sediment in the urine, and not cloudy when the gut is healed?
Your doctor's ideas sound OK, but it does sound a bit of a 'catch all' therapy. Hope your doctor can adjust his treatment to suit your needs.
I've had gut and liver problems as you might have guessed!
Things I've done...
remove milk and wholemeal wheat.
colonic irrigation made me worse!
used some gut permeability formulas (thorne + nutri) containing NAG and glutamine.
Lactobaccilus GG, lactoferrin, betaine HCL, digestive enzymes, bile extract, phosphatidylcholine, butyrate, citricidin, mct, DHA + EPA - but not all at once! Over a few years...Think Jeff Bland, says the four 'R's
remove(allergens), rest, repair (NAG + glutamine) and replace (probiotics)For liver I started off with Bland's ultri clear, but then went on to support individual parts of the liver - glutathione, msm for sulphation and methionine, b12, folate and betaine for methylation. Did try a liver flush with a cup of olive oil and lemon juice but was so ill for several months!
It's only recently I've worked on the immune system and found when I did, my liver improved as autoimmunity undermines the liver pathways and gut integrity. Used an immune formula called RM10 for a while which helps my liver, but it can overdrive my immune system if i take it for too long!
Ray
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