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Re: Looking for answers - Rosavin (Rhodiola rosea) » jujube

Posted by karaS on September 26, 2004, at 18:31:46

In reply to Re: Looking for answers - Rosavin (Rhodiola rosea) » karaS, posted by jujube on September 26, 2004, at 7:53:28

> Wow! Thanks Kara. You really went above and beyond with all your thoughtful suggestions. I am taking extra B-12 (just started). I continue to take my iron supplements since I have been suffering from iron deficiency for months and months before it was actually detected and treated (it is still low, but almost in the normal range now). I will do research on your other suggestions.
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Sounds like a good plan. Just don't try to add to many things at once as you won't end up knowing what is causing what symptoms and which ones are helping.

Also, I wanted to say that I agree with everything that JLx said to you. After quite a bit of experimentation, research and reading other people's posts, I'm starting to think that the omegas and magnesium are two of the most important supplements there are. Also, don't give up on things too quickly. Sometimes supplements can take a long time to work. Larry Hoover mentioned in a previous post that the full extent of fish oil supplementation isn't always seen until 8 months of consistent usage.


> I am so confused right now. I have never been an apathetic and unmotivated person. Anxiety has been a constant companion of mine for many years, but certainly not to the degree that I am experiencing now (the anxiety and low mood seem to have escalated after the Depo Provera shot).

Can I ask why you got the Depo Provera shot? What was it used to treat?

I have had anxiety problems most of my adult life as well but the last 4 years I've been mostly lethargic (until the last couple of weeks that is). It's called anergic or atypical depression. Neither version of depression is much fun.

What I am struggling with is whether anxiety is causing the apathy and lack of motivation (I've seen people refer to it as adhedonia) or is the adhedonia causing the anxiety?

Actually, anhedonia is when you can't find any joy in anything. Anergia is when you have no motivation. You can have both of them at the same time of course. So hard to know what's causing what as you say.

Kind of like the chicken and egg theory, can anyone really figure it out. All I know is that when I think about going out and doing things, I get hit with this feeling of extreme fatigue. No heart palps, no sweaty palms, no breathing problems, etc. Makes me think that perhaps the adhedonia is causing the anxiety, if that makes any sense at all.

Have you looked into adrenal fatigue at all?

Another thing to think about is the effect that SSRI's can have on people. One of their long-term side effects can be that flat emotional feeling with no motivation (because the extra serotonin ends up depressing dopamine - that's crudely put and I'm sure that others may correct my terminology but essentially that's what can happen.) There are other medications and/or supplements that can be added to SSRIs to work against this. Wellbutrin is often used in this way.


> Anyways, thanks so much for your response and all the suggestions. I am frustrated and beginning to dislike myself because of the way I am feeling. Even when I have been in the throws of my worst PMS, I never felt like this. I just have to keep telling myself that this too shall pass.

I know exactly what you're talking about!!!! It may be a bit of a process to find things that work for you and it can require a lot of patience but there are lots of people on these boards who have managed to fix these problems and get their lives back on track. Try to remember that when things seem really bad.

Also, I wanted to add that I think you can combine medications with supplements. I think you just have to be very careful and smart about it - as you seem to be. You just need to do a lot of research, discuss it with people who know a lot more about it (meaning those who know a lot about supplements AND medications - like Larry) and take it slowly.

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> Thanks again Kara, and take good care.
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>
> Tamara

Hang in there, you'll figure this all out in time!

Kara


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