Posted by Simus on August 29, 2004, at 1:29:10
In reply to Re: Adrenal Fatigue Treatment Article - Simus » Simus, posted by Larry Hoover on August 28, 2004, at 10:00:34
> > > > The visit with the Naturopathic doctor went well. She reviewed my medical history, my meds, and all my supplements. She agreed with the adrenal fatigue based on my symptoms. And she diagnosed me as low thyroid from a previous blood test that my family doctor didn't think was abnormal. She also ordered another thyroid test panel to verify the numbers. She suspected a candida problem so I am being tested for that too. I requested a food allergy/sensitivity test just to know what to avoid to feel better.
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> > > I'm curious as to what your TSH level was that your previous doctor decided was ok. You said you were negative on the Hashimotos antibodies? (If not, we would have almost identical problems.)
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> > My TSH was 5.11. She said that most people feel better with a TSH around 1-2. I was never tested for Hashimoto antibodies. I just assumed I didn't have Hashimotos because my doctor didn't think my TSH was a problem.
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> 5.1 was thought of as normal! Geez. 3 should be the cutoff, IMHO.That testing was done in April of this year. I just assumed they knew what they were talking about. I learned something from that...
> > > I also had a food sensitivity test done then. I was really surprised at the foods I tested sensitive to: squash/zuchini/cucumber family, yogurt, strong cheeses, yeast (but not wheat) and I can't think of the rest. Wonder if the results would be the same today or if I'd have a whole different set or maybe just additional ones.
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> How was the testing done? There are good ways, and there are absolutely bogus ways.All I can tell you right now is that it is called a "RASP" blood test, and it is done at Immuno Labs in Florida.
*I was just digging in some of my info and found the test - Elisa: an enzyme-linked immunosorbant assay. I hope this helps.> > Hmmm... that isn't too bad... I can give up summer squash - but I am hoping chocolate doesn't show up on my list!!! LOL
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> Me too.
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> > > > She liked the basic supplements I am on now. (Really good quality multi-vit, calcium/magnesium/zinc, C, quercetin, P-5-P (B6), B5, and borage oil. She wanted me to add flaxseed oil to the base supplements. She said that in the future she is going to have me add selenium and chromium too.
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> > > How come flaxseed oil rather than fish oil? Didn't "you know who" say that the latter is better?
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> Moi? Dare you not speak his name?LOL I think it is your whole "James Bond" image thing...
> > I remember reading something at one time that said that fish oil wasn't the best option for my condition... but it was a while ago and I can't tell you for sure which condition it was referring to. I just made a little mental note about it. I think it was because of either the pyrolluria or the adrenal fatigue though...
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> I can't think of a single disorder where fish oils are contraindicated. If you can find such a reference, let me know, 'kay?Boy oh boy, Larry. Now I know what brain ache is. I was wracking my brain and digging for this for a long time. It is because of the pyroluria condition. Dr. Edmond O`Flaherty has a very good Omega3 website http://www.omega3.20megsfree.com/whats_new.html where he included some of Dr. Walsh's work at the Pfeiffer clinic on pyrolurics. "We've had considerable success in using PUFA's (poly-unsaturated fatty acids) to treat persons with mental illness, but have found that omega-3 and omega-6 oils can cause clear worsening if given inappropriately. Pyrolurics need omega-6..... whereas most other patients need omega-3. There is a competition between o3 and o6 for zinc, B-6, and the delta 5,6 desaturases. The ideal would be to identify a person's biochemical individuality, with respect to PUFA's, then treat accordingly."
> > > I don't remember - do you get hypoglycemic? If not, I wonder why she wants the additional chromium.
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> > I did (do?), but I didn't talk about it with her. It could be to deter possible sugar cravings if I test positive for candida. (???)
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> Hypoglycemia does indeed go with both candidiasis and chromium deficiency.
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> > > > I told her I drink green tea, ginger tea, and ginseng tea. She told me to avoid the panax(?) ginsengs.
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> > > Panax gingsengs are quite stimulating. Maybe that's why.
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> > Yeah, and she said that "panax is a man's herb". I assumed that she meant that it boosted testosterone.
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> I'll have to look into that.
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> > > > She gave me a glandular adrenal support. She is also starting me on licorice - says it is wonderful and she takes it herself. And she gave me a tincture with ashwaganda(sp?), bladderwrack, and coleus.
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> > > I was going to ask Larry what he thought of glandulars. That'll probably make a big difference. She's also using the standard treatments we've read about in licorice and ashwaganda (I've seen it spelled that way and with an "h" at the end after the "d".) I'm thinking of adding both of those.
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> How long are you supposed to use the licorice? It's not to be used for lengthy periods.I asked the doctor about that. She seemed to think that the licorice and glandular adrenal treatments were only going to be required for a short time.
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> Glandulars, see previous post.I cautiously consider everything lately...
> > > I've never even heard of bladderwrack (frightening name, don't you think?)
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> > Yeah. LOL It is like kelp and it supplies iodine.
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> Why not just use kelp, then? <shrug>Good question. I will have to ask her next appointment.
> > > or coleus. She must really know her stuff.
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> > The coleus is a new one to me too. I think it is for insomnia - not sure.
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> I dunno either.
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> > > > For the insomnia she suggested taking a calcium/magnesium (without zinc) supplement in the evening. She also recommended lemon balm tea.
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> > > Did you tell her that you're already taking a lot of magnesium?
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> > Yeah, but she suggested taking part of the daily dose in the evening.
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> Some people only use it at night, as it is sedating.If I can get a sedating effect by something that is actually GOOD for my body... YEE-HAH =)
> > > Our book says to take them separately. I'm not sure why though.
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> > Maybe they compete to some degree...
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> Please dismiss that concept. It is one of those pseudoscientific misinterpretations that just won't go away. It's false.
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> > > Wonder if the above will be enough for you.
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> > She is definitely not out of ideas yet.
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> That's a good thing, all by itself. Are you comfortable with the care?Yes. But everything is relative, you know. I am sick and tired of being sick and tired, and still having the conventional doctors tell me there is nothing wrong with me. At least she is offering some hope...
> > > > Gee, now that we know Hoover...Larry Hoover has a girlfriend and children, it kinda takes the wind out of the fanclub's sails, doesn't it? What do we do now???
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> ?????Sorry, Lar. We kinda had you built up as bigger than life when we were missing you on your vacation. Can you imagine James Bond in the suburbs with a wife and children? LOL We still adore you though...
> > > Yes, 2 little Larry Hoovers running around (that we know of).
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> That I know of, as well.
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> > Kind of scary, isn't it? We can still be fans. Afterall, we're not groupies (at least I'm not!!!)
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> I was hoping for one, at least once in my life. :-/LOL She just won't admit to it now since you didn't invite her to the Alps too.
> > Oh, c'mon Kara! You're not still jealous about the whole vacation incident, are you???
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> Ya. Are ya?
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> > > What do we do now? We pry for more details of course!
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> > HeHe That goes without saying...
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> I'll sprinkle tidbits now and again, just to keep you craving more.....
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> Bwaa-haa-haa!
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> LarYou are something else, Lar.
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