Posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2014, at 7:30:36
In reply to Lou's reply-ohvrryde » pontormo, posted by Lou Pilder on September 2, 2014, at 5:29:34
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> > > A. What is it that Mr. Hsiung has said to me in relation to that you wrote, [I find it admirable that he doesn't override his concern for the community as he's said to Lou]?
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> > --- that he balances what's best for the individual and what's best for the community in making decisions
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> > > B. What do you mean by "overriding"?
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> > the dictionary defines "override" as:
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> > "use one's authority to reject or cancel (a decision, view, etc.).
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> > synonyms:disallow, overrule, countermand, veto, quash, overturn, overthrow"
> > --
> > > C. What is the principle that Mr. Hsiung is committed to that you are referring to here?
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> > -- that it is of great importance to the community for members to feel that their personal identities will not be violated and that their privacy is insofar as possible protected
> > > Lou
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> > pontormo,
> You wrote,[...he balances what is best for the individual and what's best for the community in making decisions...].
> I do not remember Mr. Hsiung saying to me anything like that. What he has said is that he does [...what in his thinking {will be} good for this community as a whole....]. The huge difference here is that in his use of {will be} verses what is best for the community at that moment, places a decision that could effect the community in the future. Those leaders that wanted slavery and genocide and infanticide and segregation and discrimination used that same argument, that it will be good for the community as a whole to commit mass-murder, have slavery, use discrimination and segregation and commit infanticide. Unless one can see the future, people could not know if that argument is a lie or not until the future arrives. This, then, demanded that the people have trust in that leader that made that claim that he/she could see into the future and after committing mass-murder, the country would be "good". And many people put their trust in those leaders that were committing mass-murder and slavery and infanticide and segregation and discrimination for the good of the state and when the future arrived and they found out that genocide and slavery and discrimination and infanticide did not make the state good, the leaders were executed along with their deputies by the people or the leaders committed suicide or were hanged as war-criminals. Some escaped justice
> Here, there are posts that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and put down Jews and defame me that are allowed to be seen where they are originally posted as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in Mr. Hsiung's thinking. And the mission of the forum in Mr. Hsiung's TOS is for support and to maintain a supportive atmosphere and that {support takes precedence}. What takes precedence is to be supportive, not what {will be} good for this community as a whole in Mr. Hsiung's thinking, and that has not been taken back by Mr. Hsiung. In fact, Mr. Hsiung has posted that if something is not supportive, it should not be posted here and that there is not an excuse to post incivility because of something else.
> To say that one can post anti-Semitism and defamation against me here with impunity because Mr. Hsiung thinks that anti-Semitic hate allowed to stand here will be good or this community as a whole could be considered to be a lie by a subset of readers. Those readers could have a rational basis to think that on the grounds that they have read research in psychology/psychiatry that anti-Semitism is not civil or supportive in a community such as this one where hate implanted into the minds of impaired drug dependent, depressed people could induce suicidal and/or homicidal thoughts. A Jewish child reading here,{No non-Christian will enter heaven} and sees it as supportive where it is originally posted because it is not sanctioned as uncivil, and also sees that Mr. Hsiung has an excuse to allow it to stand, and that excuse is that he doesn't want the poster of the antisemitism to have their feelings hurt if he posts his tagline to please be civil to it, could feel devalued as a Jew, dehumanized, and go into a vortex of depression to kill themselves. A subset of readers could think that you are saying that it is in your thinking, that the anti-Semitic statement, and anti-Islamic as well, allowed to stand here will be good for this community as a whole on the basis that it could be that you agree that if Mr. Hsiung was to post his tagline to please be civil to it, that could not be good for this community a whole, which allows Mr. Hsuing to override the mission of the forum to provide a supportive environment by allowing of what is not supportive or civil and could induce antismeitic feelings as being supportive by Mr. Hsiung, then please say so now.
> Lou
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> Friends,
You may be led, or misled to believe particular things as to why there are anti-Semitic statements being allowed by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record to stand here where they are originally posted and also defamation toward me.
Since Mr. Hsiung has posted over years that this forum is for support, and that support takes precedence, and that anti-Semitism is uncivil and now he has said that he has "revised" his statement that if a post stands that what is in it is not against the rules here to now be that what is in an unsanctioned post could be uncivil and that he could leave it that way because it will be good for this community as a whole in his thinking to leave hatred toward the Jews as depicted in many posts that I am bringing to his attention in our discussion now. I say not. And I say that all of you that want to support Mr. Hsiung to allow hatred toward the Jews and me to stand here unsanctioned on the basis that you trust him that it will be good for this community as a whole to do so, then I say you that you could be ignorant of he historical record where others said to the community members that antisemitism will be good for their state as a whole and the record proved otherwise.
The historical record shows what happened to states that allowed anti-Semitism to be considered to be good for their community as a whole. And the record shows what happened to those leaders and their deputies when they could not pull off the lie anymore. And here is a video showing what happened to one of those deputies where he murdered his 6 children and then him and his wife killed themselves and then had their bodies drenched with gasoline and set aflame by their deputies. Their bodies were still identifiable as you will see in the following video. Please skip this if you do not want to see what I have said as to what will be in this video.
Now any of you that want to be in concert with Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record to go along with him in that it will be good for this community as a whole to allow anti-Semitism and defamation against me to stand where it is originally posted in the grounds that you also think that it will be good for this community as a whole to do so, I say to you to stand back and think. Do you really want to be a part of it?
Lou
This video is graphic.
https://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url=/watch%Fv%3D4qxTCM_dle0
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