Posted by alexandra_k on December 16, 2013, at 0:10:32
In reply to Re: Would you expect the same of other media?, posted by alexandra_k on December 15, 2013, at 23:24:11
it is hard...
i have recently come around to the view that failing to punish defectors is itself a form of defection. because of tragedy of commons type situations.
only...
perhaps now i'm coming to see that this may not be so.
i went to a talk on trust. part of it was about what was required for trust. to be competent. to recognise that another depended on us to act on that competence. to then act from the basis of recognising another depended on us to act on that competence. roughly... that was sort of what i took from the idea.
one can fail to be trusworthy because one isn't competent. this isn't necessarily bad. i am an incompetent murderer. my incompetence doesn't make me morally reprehensible or anything like that. but you shouldn't trust me to be competent in that sphere. and i shouldn't signal that i am competent in that sphere.
so competence.
recognition of dependence. sometimes we drop the ball because we didn't realise that others were relying or counting on us. i think i do this often. i think the idea is that here also it isn't about being morally reprehensible. it is another kind of incompetence. it isn't about morality, though.
anyway... point being... maybe we don't need to punish defectors. defectors... perhaps their defection is better explained by the above (and perhaps more kinds of) incompetence. and fixing up the incopmetencies would be something like 'giving them the skills' to contribute to society appropriately. people... well... it does take time to learn who the reliable signallers etc are. that is why it takes a year or so to settle in to a new environment. and why moving all the time is so hard... because unless you are connected people will typically assume you aren't particularly trustworthy. or at least... other people typically improve their opinion of me in time. or perhaps i find a better niche for myself with time or... whatever.
tangent?
there was stuff about signalling, too. and how some people are reliable (trusworthy ha!) signallers of competence and promises while others are... perhaps not.
anyway. i felt more at peace about my having dropped the ball rather with respect to my thesis... mostly because of the later. perhaps a bit because of the former. i see that half the battle with people is getting reliable signals out of them... perhaps because people fail to recognise the function of signalling... due to inability, yeah. not a moral failing...
it was a nice talk, yeah.
anyway... it has me thinking on incompetence (not as a moral failing - just in terms of what one actually can and cannot do) and recognition of the needs of others (not as a moral failing - just in terms of what one can perceive with respect to that).
and thinking about me
(memememememe)
was all.
no judgement (especially moral!) on you...
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