Posted by Lou PIlder on November 16, 2013, at 5:24:11
In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ovkoar~, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:54:30
> > > > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
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> > > Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
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> > > --
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> > > > > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
> > > >
> > > > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> > >
> > > That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
> > >
> > > I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
> > >
> > > I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
> > >
> > > > > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
> > >
> > > At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
> > >
> > > I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Let us look at this post:
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.htmlMr. Hsiung et al,
The thinking that IMHO a subset of readers here could get is that you are wanting antisemitism to be considered to be a minor violation here so that you do not have to sanction the antisemitism, as you state that police do not tend to ticket people for "minor" violations. I do not consider statements that could put down Jews to be minor in any setting, and in particular a mental health community owned and oporated by a psychiatrist that has rules against it.
Let us look at your rules and how they are enforced.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
Mr Hsiung states here that he does not see a need to enforce his own rule that says that antisemitic statements put down Jews and are not civil. Mr Hsiung states that others are not likely to see antisemitic statements (allowed to stand) as being supportive and good for the community.
Here are the antisemitic statements that are in discussuon and as of now they can be seen IMHO by a subset of readers as being supportive and good for the community because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that he does what will be good for this communnity as a whole.
In this one, Jews and Islamic people and others are put in the catagory of having a religion that is in the top ten worst reasons for them to be an organized religion because they have an agenda not centered in Christ. Look at the second list as #5.
Now that statement in #5 puts down Jews, Islamic people, Hindus and all other organized religions that have an agenda not centered in Christ. And worse than that, there could be a subset of people greatly offended by the allowing of this to stand here. This could IMHO harm their mental health to feel humiliated that this site allows that to be seen as supportive and good for this community because it is alowed to stand. The effects of humiliation to people in a group are well-documented by psychologists and you can do a search of your own to see how hate could be promulgated in a community by the leader and his constintuancy contolling the content as to that they determine what is a minor violation of rules or not. In this statement in question, those that are in an organized religion that has their agenda not centered in Christ, have the worst reason for them to be an organized religion which means to a subset of readers that Christiandom people are an organized religion that does not have one of the worst reasons for them to be an organized religion. This fits the generally accepted meaning of what is meant by {put down}. This is not a minor issue to me, for hatred toward groups that the leader allows to be defamed can be promoted by the allowing of Jews and others to be put down and seen as groups that have one of the worst reasons for their existance. Millios of Jewish children have had atrocities commited to them and then murdered by people who thought that they were better than Jews. This statement in question can IMHO stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and others, for Mr Hsiung has not taken back that his thinking is that one match could start a forest fire. Look at the secoond list as #5.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
Then in the following, the statement says something like that Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God. That puts down Jews and Islamic people and all other people that have a faith that is not christiandom based that does have a pathhway back to God The statement could offer a subset of people to post what is analogous to that put down of the Jews and others as being "minor" violation of the rules and not worthy of a "ticket", for I do see a need to address the post so that a subset of readers could not get the idea that antisemitism is suoportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
Lou
Here look at line #6
http://www.dr-bob.org/babblefaith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
poster:Lou PIlder
thread:1050116
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1054472.html