Posted by wearytraveler on April 12, 2012, at 4:24:57
In reply to Lou's request -- new poster's perception-ehnkurej » wearytraveler, posted by Lou Pilder on April 9, 2012, at 16:21:15
Lou,
After reviewing your post, I believe the following:
1. Robert Hsiung has stated repeatedly in these forums that to write "I feel" comprises an "I statement" and that "I statements" are more likely to comply with his personal subjective preferences for writing on a message board he owns. I am not as confident that I understand what, if any, consistency may be found in his view of statements about personal beliefs.
2. Your concerns relate to the manner in which Robert Hsiung has managed his behavior in reaction to guests he invited to post information on servers he leases and operates to provide access to read information posted by his invited guests on those servers. Your concerns as expressed in the message I found while researching your message related to the way he manages messages related to personal beliefs.
3. Your concerns about his management of statements regarding personal beliefs relate to the potential for harm to result from actions of those who read the messages about which you have concerns.
4. Numerous mass media and popular literature publications have recently discussed the risk of suicide among gay, lesbian, bisexual or transvestite youth when those youths perceive that their beliefs and concerns are treated inconsistently in public or quasi-public venues.
5. This electronic forum may be considered a quasi-public venue because messages my be read by anyone with unrestricted access to the Internet.
6. Concerns about the results of inconsistent treatment of people who express various beliefs in this venue are similar in some ways to the widely-recognized concerns of youths with atypical sexual preferences or orientations.
7. The effects of administrative policies on guests of medical self-help forums has not been studied or reported as widely as the concerns of youths with atypical sexual preferences or orientations.
8. One effect that might be similar between those of youths with atypical sexual behaviors and those who believe guests who make statements about belief on this forum are not treated consistently could be that guests who countenance such belief could feel rejected, unimportant, unwanted, alienated, fearful or unhappy.
9. Feelings of rejection, unimportance, being unwanted, alienation, fear and unhappiness are sometimes associated with poor social integration, poor personal adaptation and, in some cases, suicidal ideation, suicide attempts or suicide.
10. Makers of pharmacological substances who have been asked about the correlation of suicidal incidents and use of their products have at times argued that the persons were at risk of suicidal circumstances prior to taking their drugs, so any correlation between use of the drugs and suicidal circumstances cannot be reliably attributed to effects of their drugs.
11. Robert Hsuing has stated that his preferences for behavior in this group relate to what he believes is the best interest of the group.
12. The best interests of a group may or may not be the best interests of any or all individuals in a group.
13. Groups are sometimes formed for purposes that do not relate to the best interest of some or all members.
14. Some behaviors that can help perpetuate cohesion of a group may not be in the interests of any or all members of the group.
15. To my knowledge, no empirical, peer-reviewed, double-blind-study evidence has been published that a self-help group administered by Robert Hsuing provides any medical advantage for any member of that group.
16. To my knowledge, no empirical, peer-reviewed, double-blind-study evidence has been published that participation in a self-help group administered by Robert Hsuing does not harm any member of that group.17. Administrators of psychological self-help groups might in some circumstances be tempted to proffer arguments similar to those advanced by pharmaceutical companies, in which it is argued that those who appear to suffer harm as a result were at risk of similar results before they participated in the group so the group process cannot be reliably cited as a contributing factor to the harm.
18. There is no guarantee that participation in this group will not cause harm to members.
19. There is no consistent or reliable method to assure that any adverse result of participation in this group will be attributed to the actual cause of that result.
20. Robert Hsuing states euphemistically that "mileage may vary" indicating a casual interest in whatever results guests here may experience.
21. Some members have reported adverse results of participating in this group.
22. This administrative forum represents a venue for discussion of adversity resulting from these forums, offering evidence that the administrator believes guests believe adversity sometimes results from these forums.
23. People could be hurt from circumstances you cant control and there might be nothing you can do about it.
24. You or I might suffer adverse results, including suicidal circumstances as a result of participating in this forum.
25. A forum administrator might respond to discussion of suicidal circumstances by contacting authorities.
26. A forum administrator might respond to discussion of suicidal circumstances by contacting authorities to protect his personal assets against liability claims when contact with authorities might have no real benefit for the person who discussed those circumstances.
27. A forum administrator might respond to discussion of suicidal circumstances by contacting authorities to protect his personal assets against liability claims when contact with authorities might exacerbate suicidal circumstances, even escalating suicidal ideation to effective execution of a suicidal act.
27. A forum administrator might respond to discussion of suicidal circumstances by contacting authorities to protect his personal assets against liability claims when contact with authorities might exacerbate suicidal circumstances, even escalating suicidal ideation to effective execution of a suicidal act, even in circumstances when the suicidal ideation arose from conflict that originated from perceptions of inconsistent administrative behavior by the forum administrator.
28. A forum administrator might respond to discussion of suicidal circumstances by contacting authorities to protect his personal assets against liability claims when contact with authorities might exacerbate suicidal circumstances, even escalating suicidal ideation to effective execution of a suicidal act, even in circumstances when the suicidal ideation arose from conflict that originated from perceptions of inconsistent administrative behavior by the forum administrator and then argue that the person who died was at risk of suicide anyway, so it's not the doctors fault for ignoring their concerns about his inconsistent behavior, ignoring their rising frustration, calling authorities to their house in a way that they would be stigmatized by neighbors or employers in such a way that they were inspired to act on suicidal ideation that arose from interaction with the medical doctor.
28. There are many types of people among the 6 billion currently living in this world, including some in positions of authority who speak about others taking responsibility for their own actions but who do not take responsibility for the consequences of their own behavior.
poster:wearytraveler
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