Posted by Lou Pilder on October 3, 2008, at 15:34:18
In reply to Re: *corrections* » Lou Pilder, posted by Geegee on October 3, 2008, at 13:58:47
> When you add the context of posts "standing" that were previously brought to admin's attention for review of civility, that is different. If a post was reviewed by admin and assessed as not uncivil, then the post (usually) "stands" as is, unremarked upon. However, that does not mean that one can assume that any post that is unremarked upon by admin "stands" as being not uncivil. And since readers do not know which posts have and which posts have not been flagged to admin via the notification system, assuming that posts that "stand" unremarked have or would be deemed "civil" by admin is not a reliable method for interpreting whether a post is civil or not.
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> I'm not saying anything new here. It's all been said before.
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> gggg,
You wrote,[...posts standing that were.. brought to the admin's attention..that is different...].
The fact here is that Mr. Hsiung has posted that it is right that one can assume that if something is brought to his attention and he does nothing that he thought it was not against the rules. (citation facts13).
To be brought to his attention could be done in many ways.
A.by emailing him
B.by posting the statement in question as a request for a determination
C.by others posting the statement as an identification and seeking from him a reason as to why nothing has been done.
D. by using the notification system
E. by using the babblemail system
F. By seeing that he has responded to the post in the thread and that his response could mean that he knows of it.
G. other possible ways
So when members see posts that have had nothing done to them, and they are of the nature that they , let's say, could lead a Jew or someone else to feel put down or accused by the post, they could rely on the fact that Mr. Hsiung writes that if nothing is done then he thinks it is not against the rules to post such. What also needs then to be determined is if it has been brought to Mr. Hsiung's attention. That could or could not be determined if the member wants to use the usual ways to find out. But could not some posts have obvious statements of the nature in question so that if there has not been something to bring it to his attention that can be seen, that their could have been and that no search for such could be made?
As to how many of those type are here, members have emailed me and asked me for them and if anyoe would like them, they could email me for posts of that nature.
Then in the types where I post a reminder that a notification is outstanding, members can email me to find out which post it is. They could then forward it to others.
As to one assuming that any post that has had nothing done is not against the rules, I do not know what could annul the fact that Mr. Hsiung has written here that those type that have been brought to his attention and have had nothing done are not against the rules if the person that sees the post in question knows that it has been brought to his attention. Also, one could use the TOS and the past practice that states what is uncivil to make their own determiniation and it may be plainly visible.
Then there is the fact that Mr. Hsiung states that he does what will be good for the community as a whole and to trust what he does. This could mean IMO that a post that has nothing done and has been asked to review in some way, and is plainly visible to have , let's say, statements that could lead a Jew or somwone else to feel put down or accused, could IMO lead a person to think that it will be good for the community as a whole to leave it stand with nothing done even if there is something in the post that the one reading it thinks could lead a person to feel accused or put down and think that those statements of that nature are not against the rules. Is that not a fact? There are many examples on the board here now in statements and in links brought up by concerned members here and it is a fact that Mr. Hsiung has written to not post a link to a web site that has antisemitic content, period. (citation rspct 4)
I ask, could you post in your opinions, why posts that have been identified so far here of the nature in question are not addressed and could anull the fact of what Mr. Hsiung writes here? If you could, then I could rspond accordingly
Lou
citation (fact13)
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
citation(rspct4). I would like those interested in this one to email me for that post.
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:306703
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