Posted by Jay_Bravest_Face on August 12, 2008, at 20:08:17
In reply to The civility guidelines, posted by Dinah on August 11, 2008, at 15:26:02
> > What I do have trouble with is the quickness in which dissenting opinions on this board are labled as "hurtful" or "causing someone to feel put down" when they are in fact just dissenting opinions.
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> > Sure, the OP could have chosen their words a bit more carefully, but there is some merit to the message.
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> That's the whole point of the civility guidelines. It's *not* uncivil to express a dissenting opinion. It's been done several times on this thread. What he asks us to do is to express it respectfully and civilly. He's developed the guidelines over the years as a response to evolving needs, and while they might not be perfect, as nothing is, I think they're a reasonable guideline to supportive and civil discourse.
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> Clearly I would, since I support them. Others may of course disagree.
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Anybody who has taken second or third year college/university sociology knows about Zimbardo's psycho-social experiment (gone wrong!) Just Google Zimbardo and Stanford if you don't know of it. Even if PB is a good place to "hang out", I still question the ethics of the "do no harm" part of Bob's psycho-social experiment. Here is an example of institutional social research ethics guidelines. (These are from the University of Toronto, Dept. of Sociology.)Respect for Human Dignity
Respect for Free and Informed Consent
Respect for Vulnerable Persons
Respect for Privacy and Confidentiality
Respect for Justice and Inclusiveness
Balancing Potential Harms and BenefitsI think that the first, third, and last one are very much missing on PB. One could easily say a "block" is a form of humiliation. What if he "blocks" somebody with SI, and the person goes ahead and does it? What about the process of picking "Deputies"? Doesn't that form a dominant/submissive complex, or could make others feel "less worthy"? What about informed consent? Are people being told of ALL of the risks they take when joining the board? What about the fact that some people may cognitively not be able to understand the terms when signing up? Just because they can check a "yes" box doesn't mean the ACTUALLY understand. Maybe these are partly why Bob had to completely break his ties between here and the University of Chicago.
I am throwing these out for more of greater examination then expressing my personal views.
Jay
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