Posted by Lou Pilder on September 8, 2007, at 7:24:07
In reply to Re: helping posters better understand, posted by Dr. Bob on September 6, 2007, at 2:03:31
> > > It would be great to help posters better understand what's happening to them (and keep it from happening to them again). One way to do that might be to offer to be their "civility buddy" and preview their posts before they submit them?
> >
> > I feel nervous personally about the prospect of being responsible for anothers posts. What if they got blocked???????????
> > Or a PBC and then they get mad at me?
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> That's a good question. What I meant above was offering feedback that they would be free to accept or not. If they did end up getting a PBC, or being blocked, I'd hope they'd remember that you tried to help and did your best.
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> (That's different than having a "mandatory" civility buddy, which has been discussed before:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20051205/msgs/597469.html
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> which really would be taking responsibility for another poster's posts.)
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> > If possible, I would like if YOU could explain, when asked, for a greater explanation.
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> I thought Sam explained this one well...
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> > And the old long blocks?
> > What of them?
> > Are you going to reconsider?
> > Cuz I think they just hurt is all, I don't think there's much eaducation going on after awhile.
> > Just hurt.
> > Babbles not supposed to be bout hurt is it?
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> I'm open to considering alternatives to long blocks. The goal of Babble isn't hurt, but unfortunately some hurt I think is inevitable. But let's try to minimize it as much as possible.
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> BobDr. Hsiung and Sam,
You both have posted in this thread. In regards to a statement here by the member, ZZDuck, attempting to have dialog with Dr.Hsiung concerning {hobbies}, DR. Hsiung, you wrote,[...I thought Sam explained this one well...]. Sam, you wrote,[...asking if someone has {any} >hobbies< {can be} a..put down...]and,[...Asking someone who really has nothing going on in their life would only draw attention to the obvious and no one likes to be reminded (that) they are a XXX...]and,[...Don't you have any hobbies?...]and,[...I would say if you {honestly} want to know about someones hobbies asking that >would be civil<...]and,[...it is possible to use any phrase in ways that have different meanings...].
DR. Hsiung, ZZDuck posted that there was not an intention to put you down by attempting to have dialog with you. As I read {that statement} by ZZDuck that is cited by you, I can not see anything in the statement that Sam says could be related to you such as {having nothing going on in your life...drawing attention to the obvious...reminding you that you are a XXX ...anything better...]. And looking at what Sam wrote here,[..."Don't you have any hobbies?" can be a veiled way of saying "don't you have anything better to do?"...], let us see if ZZDuck wrote such?.
Did ZZDuck write what Sam quoted? ("Don't you have any hobbies?"). Let us look at what ZZDuck wrote:
[...XXX...]. I see that as being different from,[...Don't you...]. And asking, according to Sam, {could} be, in some contexts, a veiled put down. If it {could be} , then could it also be that {it could not be}? How could anyone make a judgement as to a person's attempt to have dialog with someone to be a put down? If any one knows the criteria to make such a conclusion, could you post those criteria here? And as far as the context, the forum is one where people seek support and education concerning mental health issues, and is it not been in the past here others having dialog with Dr. Hsiung which could mean that DR. Hsiung welcomes members to have dialog with him here? If so, then is not ZZDuck responding to the context of the forum by attempting to have dialog with Dr. Hsiung?
Did ZZDuck write anything in {that statement} that could remind you of anything? I agree with Sam that a statement like,[.."Don't you have any...?] could be equilvalent to,[...don't you have anything better....]. But did ZZDuck write that?. ZZDuck wrote,[..XXX...] which I see as being different.
Sam, you wrote,[...if you honestly want to know about someones hobbies asking thst would be civil...].
Dr. Hsiung and Sam, ZZDuck in {that statement} asked about DR. Hsiung's hobbies. The grammatical structure of ZZDuck's attmpt to have dialog with Dr. Hsiung shows IMO an honest attempt to have dialog with Dr. Hsiung. Members here have asked me if I have any hobbies. I have replied to them, for I can not conclude as to if their attempt to have dialog with me is or is not honest. If one is to make such a judgment about another's integrity, I do not know what could be the criteria that one could use to make such a conclusion, and if one here know the criteria, could you list them here?
Lou Pilder
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