Posted by Dr. Bob on May 6, 2006, at 15:47:53
In reply to Re: fact vs opinion » Dr. Bob, posted by AuntieMel on May 6, 2006, at 13:21:15
> I am grateful for the imposition of civility here. But where you see a simple smooth boundary line betwixt it and incivility, that specific line, the one you have chosen (the one I have called Bobjectivity), is quite jagged and irregular and fragmented, in the eyes of others.
I don't see it as a simple distinction at all. Not in practice, anyway.
> Your words tell me that five near misses (or some other threshold, whatever it is) is more or less equivalent to one clear block.
Equivalent in what way?
> You have become prejudiced against me, if there is any trend at all.
The more times someone's been reminded of the guidelines, the more familiar with them I expect them to be, that's true...
> "Guidance is always available."
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> You don't mind if I find this humorous, do you? If only it was. If only you were.Guidance isn't only available from me...
> > Does it feel reminiscent of any other situations?
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> That felt like a low blow. This isn't a "baggage" situation.OK, sorry about that.
> > > civility rewards effort. Civility is exemplified in things like, "Tie goes to the runner."
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> > what about the effort the other side makes?
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> The effort made by what other side?The side trying to throw the runner out.
> Civil discourse, at least in so far as I learned it, up in the wilds of Canada, permits simple descriptors. One is permitted to describe what one sees, provided that one remains in the descriptive realm.
Here, however, there's totter control.
> I should imagine all of this, before posting?
It might decrease your chances of being blocked again...
> When I described certain passages as uncivil, six weeks back, I was quoting you. I again ask the question, is there language that only you can use here?
Do I often describe passages as uncivil?
> Sir, the issues I have been raising are all about unintended consequences. Your intended consequences seem reasonable enough. It's those other ones. The unintended consequences. You seem to not even care. I would like to see you seem like you do.
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> Larry HooverI care, but for now, anyway, I'm willing to accept the unintended consequences. Like I might accept the side effects of a medication that in other ways helps.
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> A reasonable debate can discuss facts, even negative ones, and still be civil, while stating negative opinions is usually uncivil.
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> AuntieMelIMO, stating negative facts can be uncivil, too. In general, for example, I don't think I'd consider it civil to call someone a drunk even if they've called themselves that.
Bob
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