Posted by Gabbix2 on January 8, 2006, at 20:17:03
In reply to Re: Larry's Block and a civil atmosphere » Gabbix2, posted by alexandra_k on January 8, 2006, at 19:20:35
> it is an attempt to show the community that it is not appropriate to say that someone is 'manipulative', 'playing games', and 'making me sick' yeah. that is what it is. the aim being... a reduction (or cessation) of people saying those things.
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And how often does Larry do this?
Rhetorical question.Do we need to be protected from Larry?
Larry who we all know is completely thoughtless, posts without thinking, and runs around like a crazed dog randomly insulting people just for the hell of it.
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> it was the you are making me sick comment.
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> sorry but...
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> i don't think that is appropriateThat isn't what he said and I think rewording his post is not appropriate especially when it makes such an enormous difference in the interpretation.
He said "Helping you has made me sick"
There's a HUGE difference there.Yeah, it would hurt me too.However, it's like saying "This is draining me"
People have said that.
I've been hurt or angered by what people have said here.
Why don't we just have a rule that says "content free posts only" no one will get hurt.
Everyone will feel safe.> maybe it is about the blocking system... this is the way the blocking system goes... thus people can predict that if they get blocked again this is the block length they are facing...
>Okay
"we shoot people for that in these parts.. that's the way it is..you know the consequences deal with it.. you won't be doing that again now will you"
> you would think people would learn to be more careful when they appreciate that their next block could be the same (if they are lucky) and that it is mroe likely to be doubled or tripled.
>Oh and just how likely is Larry going to run into this situation again?
There is just as much chance that it will make him less likely to reach out to someone in need.
He's more careful with his wording than just about anyone here. It's hardly a pattern that needs breaking.
> > Maybe people are upset because they know how much it can hurt, and because hurting Lar doesn't help the situation at all.
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> i don't think the point of delivering a block as a consequence is to hurt larry.So? The fact is it DOES HURT
"Sorry, I didn't mean to hit you with the door, that wasn't my intention.."
> i think the point is to deliver a fairly predictable consequence for saying what he said.
> so we know that if we say that...
> we will get blocked too.
> hence if you don't want to get blocked...
> then don't say it.
> so the point in delivering the punisher...
> is so that people won't say that to one another on the forums.
> or they will say them less than they would if there wasn't a punisher after his having said that.
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> thats how blocks benefit the forums as a whole.
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> because we are all supposed to learn that that is not appropriate.
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> and if peopple didn't say those kinds of things...
> the forum would be more supportive than if people did say those kinds of things...
>Now
That reminds me of a cartoon I saw:"I don't care if this is the first time you've been late to work in 30 years.. what would it be like if *everyone* was late for work?"
So there's no room at all for wisdom here.
It's like a computer.
The fact that Lar doesn't go around randomly calling people manipulative, and insulting people doesn't enter the picture.
As Dr. Bob always says "Two wrongs don't make a right"
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> i don't see how larry was wronged...
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Obviously.
> in dbt you have to committ to working towards reduction of SI.
> SI is typically the problem, yes.
> but if you do not commit to working on reducing it then you are kicked out of dbt.Committing to working on it....
So Larry after 3 years of posting here, who is relied upon for his support, and has never called someone names, has to commit to working on this issue..suddenly after 3 years.That's not even rational.
> if our mental health issues makes us prone to lashing out at others...
> then i guess we can make a committment to learning more appropriate ways of behaving...
> or we can persist...
> let the blocks stack up...
> get blocked for lengthy periods of time.
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> yup.
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Bob's way is not the authority on appropriateness or civility. He's the authority here.
> maybe because i was trying to hit upon a more charitable interpretation?
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> maybe because... i accepted a more charitable interpretation once i found one?And somehow
Although I was offended and frustrated and angered .. and ready to leave the board because of that issue..this maybe.. this maybe that applies to you, that allowed you to avoid any punitive action
This maybe... with all it's extenuating circumstances and possible explanations does not apply to Larry.
That's unbelievable
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