Posted by alexandra_k on October 16, 2005, at 20:39:42
In reply to Re: I disagree,, posted by holymama on October 16, 2005, at 20:17:14
> > Deneb posts about her thoughts on death and her desire to be dead at times.
> > We are all going to die one day.
> > You seem to think that it would be better for her to stop posting about these things.
> Well, careful with words, because I don't think it would be better for her to stop posting things like that.I agree. If it helps her to post her thoughts / questions about that then it seems that it is a worthwhile thing to do.
> I don't want her to stop posting about anything, I just thought she was asking for help.
I think... She was asking for some validation and reassurance. When you 'threatened' suicide you may have meant it as a cry for help. But that doesn't mean that when everybody talks about suicide they mean it as a cry for help.
You asked whether it might be appropriate to interveane
(Which seems to be a reasonable question to me)
And then she posted a direct request that people not interveane directly.She clarified her intention there.
To continue on saying that intervention should be sent DESPITE her direct request seems to imply that other people may know what is best for her.
> I'm really sad that she's been blocked and she can't talk here right now. That's really scary and I'm hoping she has someone to help her right now.
I didn't know she had been blocked :-(
Can someone give me a link?I think she could use a little support / care / understanding...
I hope people have her email address...
> Would you argue against that??? That she would be best off getting help? We can go back and forth about this until we are blue in the face, but I don't understand the point anymore.I've reiterated the point.
It is a hard point, I appreciate that.
I had to think about it fairly long and hard...>Any way I look at it, I still come to the conclusion that a suicidal person needs help. Am I forcing my worldview on that person? I guess I am, but with the intention of easing their pain.
If your intention is to ease their pain...
Then it might be wise to look at what we know about how much involountary hospitalisation assists alleviating peoples pain.
There are people (like yourself) with positive anecdotes...
But once you take all the other people into account...
Once you take the potential harm into account...Then what do you think your considered view is on what is most likely to ease her pain?
Personally... I don't know. But I think sometimes what people most need... Is an empathetic friend. Babblers have done more for me than the majority of mental health professionals in my life. But just like the majority of mental health professionals... Babblers are capable of harm as well :-(
> Perhaps the thing we are talking about is the word 'help'. What does it mean to help? Is everyone here asking for help? Is Deneb asking for help? What kind of help is she asking for, what kind does she need?Why not...
Ask her?Most people like to feel that other people are empathising with them and value them rather than trying to 'do things to them' (ie interveane) at the very least...
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