Posted by alexandra_k on June 26, 2005, at 8:00:19
In reply to Re: Automated Civility Checker, posted by so on June 26, 2005, at 0:10:53
I don't know too much about them so this might be misinformation but...
I don't think that it is that they are programmed with exact algorithms. I think the algorithms are used to adjust the weightings / thresholds when the determination is incorrect. There are algorithms available. I'm not sure how specific the algorithms are to architecture (with respect to number of nodes and number of layers and whether there are one or two or more output nodes). I'm not sure if it is relevant at all what sort of task the net is performing (object recognition vs civility determination for instance).
Along the lines of building a stainless steel ladder to the moon... I was thinking it would be kind of interesting if there was a Dr Bob checker (where he determined whether the weightings needed to be adjusted or not) and if there was another poster checker where posters votes could determine whether the weightings get adjusted or not.
Then you could compare them... Compare the weightings and the thresholds... And worry about how to 'translate' the math and worry about whether there might just be some kind of rule lurking implicitly in there after all...
Most probably...
Such machines lack semantics. They lack meanings. They lack understanding. Searle "Rediscovery of the Mind" thinks they lack it as a matter of principle. AI will never have intentional (mental) content (meaningful thoughts about the world).
Other theorists disagree. Some say that if you hooked a net up to appropriate inputs (sensory information such as sight, hearing, etc) and appropriate outputs (some kind of body to move around and interact with the world) then you will get mental content after all.
I don't know how good performance could get...
How many nodes (neurons) are there in the brain???
Lots.
But we don't need all of them...
So you could think of it as a relatively coarse grained simulation of one functional mechanism in the mind / brain.
If turing machine functionalism is correct and consciousness just is the experience of certain kinds of complex causal interaction then it is even possible that such a machine could have conscious states.
Imagine that. An eternity of civility determinations on our posts
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Surely there must be other ways to achieve immortality :-)I don't know how good performance can get.
I think people are playing around with different architectures. I'd have a go at drawing some but don't really know how to attach pictures...
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