Posted by so on May 23, 2005, at 14:44:06
In reply to Re: or.... » so, posted by gardenergirl on May 23, 2005, at 9:27:43
> Um, why would the rules for this board apply anywhere else? They are by definition Dr. Bob's unique rules.
And hence, terms of service for this site. "terms of service" is the standard reference to behavioral expectations published in support of networked forums. Civility is seldom, if ever, used to describe expectations of terms of service at other forums.
> Hmmm, I haven't read every word on this site, but I have never encountered any claim of ownership of the concept of "civility". Would you please provide a link or a quote?"Please be civil". What more evidence do we need than the statement itself? Either civility is what Robert Hsiung says it is, or it is a broader concept owned by society at large, which in this case does not always or even often align with expecations of his implicit terms of service.
>I simply don't appreciate being called uncivilized should I not meet his standard of owning my emotions and those of everyone who might potentially feel something upon reading what I write.
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> When were you called "uncivilized"? I'm shocked that this could occur and not be sanctioned. Although perhaps you were extrapolating from a "please be civil" to being called "uncivilized". They are two different structures with two different meanings.While there are not terms of service published for this site, it is also suggested in the supporting information for what would otherwise be considered terms of service that a phrasing a statement in a positive slant is sufficient to remove implicity negative meanings. Nonetheless, scholars of literature offer that positive statements embody negative connotations. Requesting that a person be civil implies that they have not been. The cultural context in which demands for civility arose, in English language, involved comparison of formal behavioral protocols with those of cultures considered "uncivilized." We now have the capacity to more accurately state what we are requesting, which in each and every case in reference to civilized people using networked communication in this forum, is nothing more than compliance with implicit terms of service, which are not otherwise stated as part of the registration or informed consent process.
>The former is a request for a type of behavior and the latter is a characterization.
And the request for a type of behavior, striclty, compliance with terms of service, characterizes non-compliance as less than civil, hence uncivilized. Does not the statement "Please wash your hands" imply that hands are unwashed and unclean?
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> And this is really about making sure Dr. Bob gets enough sleep? awwwwwPerhaps the administration could write a determination as to whether use of the exclamation "awwww" is consistent with guidelines that would otherwise be considered terms of service. It has also been used elsewhere in this forum with similar inference, i believe in the title to a post.
But yes, sleep and the effect of rest on capacity to deliver service is part of what I am discussing.
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