Posted by Gabbix2 on January 31, 2005, at 22:42:00
In reply to Re: I think I understand why people don't like this... » Gabbix2, posted by alexandra_k on January 31, 2005, at 21:36:41
> > Of course it's a matter of choice, what else would it be?
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> Well it could be *just obvious* that one way of viewing it is the *right* way.Oh, that didn't even enter my head actually!
If I ever think that, and I have, I will say
"That's just wrong!" And of course that's when I know I have no decent argument : )
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> > Again, when you phrase it like that "I'm trying to show you" it sounds to me as if you feel you are somehow gifted with something that I am unable to see, I'm afraid in this instance that's just not the case. I hear what you are saying, I don't agree with it.
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> You don't agree that there are options?
Well, yeah.. but no more than in any situation.
> You don't agree that there are different ways of seeing small boards?Yes, but I think we're looking at different issues about the boards actually.
> That was what I was saying.
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> I genuinely apologise that that did sound condescending. I see that now that you point it out.Tis why I pointed it out, I didn't really think that was "you"
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> > There are a few things in life I get angry about. Cliquisheness/elitism or any of it's variances one of them.
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> But it is a choice to see small boards as *cliquish* and *elite*.
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I believe that having private conversations where everyone is not included is cliquish.
Yes it's my choice, but if it is, so is my belief that it's wrong to mock handicapped people.
> I would feel so very mad at Dr Bob if I thought that the truth of the situation was that small boards are *cliquish* and *elite* and yet he wanted them anyway. His intentions must be very evil indeed...It's not that clear cut, some people don't believe it is cliquish, or promotes cliquishness.
My Gym teachers thought there was nothing wrong with having someone pick teams for basketball,
it would have been silly to call them evil.
Many laws have been changed that now we now can't believe ever existed because of their injustice, and I don't believe they were implemented because of innate evil. Much harm can be done out of thoughtlessness though, or inexperience in a certain area.
> If I thought the truth of the situation was that small boards were *cliquish* and *elite* then perhaps I would be mad at him for his stupidity in refusing to recognise that fact.
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Perhaps he hasn't had enough experience on the outside, or with group dynamics, sometimes things have to be seen or felt to be understood.
> But he has an alternative way of seeing small boards. He does not see them as *cliquish* and *elite*.
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> There are alternative ways to view them.Yes, and he does, as I do, it works both ways.
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> And that is a different issue from whether they should be implemented or not.No, actually I can agree to disagree on just about any topic but not where it involves implementing something that I believe is going to hurt people.
> I don't mind that you prefer not to have them.
> I think not wanting something to happen that has the potential to produce hurt feelings in others is a good and noble reason (not that you need my approval of course).
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> Some people may feel envious that they cannot be part of one small board in particular.
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> Sounds like that is what people are trying to prevent.
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> But are those feelings of envy something that follows from small boards or something that follows from *judging* some small boards to be better than another?I in complete honesty have no idea where the Idea of envying the better board came from. I don't think that's at all the issue Alexandra,
actually it almost sounds funny to me. If I missed it on a thread please feel free to point it out. Or could someone please tell me if that is their issue?
> We choose to feel hurt...That's not something I agree with as a general statement. It's currently popular, but not a belief I ascribe to.
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