Posted by alesta on October 24, 2004, at 23:47:51
In reply to Re: the point of this site, posted by Dr. Bob on October 24, 2004, at 22:17:28
> > what is the point of this "Admin" site other than watching us rip each other to shreds? Do you not have confidence in your own ability to administrate?
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> Good question, the introduction says the point is discussion of the administration. And I guess the point of that is for me to clarify policies, for you all to give me feedback, and for improvements to be made."discussion" of the administration, huh? not administration. very interesting. well, there is no point to all this discussion that's going on right now, with the exception of very few threads here. your answer makes this seem like such a positive, proactive board. your answer is very glib. give me a break. will you stop trying to be right and get real? you do what you want anyway. i knew you'd be more interested in being right than in trying to make a change and work with someone to help make this a better place.
> I have some degree of confidence, but that doesn't mean I can think of everything!
but you don't accept hardly any of our input concerning your rulings. (and this is where the damage lies.) so it looks like, to yourself, you are thinking of everything.
> > Your at times unfair civility guidelines are not nearly as hurtful as the battle over them. (It's the "discussions" that do all the damage.) All this battling needs to end.
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> I still think that getting in the way of our task here are "fight-flight" group dynamics. Some more discussion:
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> > You know a group is in productive work mode when you see people consciously participating and cooperating towards task achievement...
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> > The basic assumption mode is just the opposite. We call it a “basic assumption” because the group makes an assumption about leadership but its purpose is hidden and unconscious. [One possible] hidden, unspoken assumption of the group is that...
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> > The group has come together not to do a task, but for the purpose of fighting or running away from the leader—it’s fight-flight...
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> > In fight-flight, the leader is seen (unconsciously) as the enemy, opposed to the preservation of the group. Doing real work is ignored; the task is to win, or avoid losing. The behavior of the group is anger and hostility towards other groups or the leader. It is either expressed (they get mad and fight) or covert (they withdraw in anger.) ...
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> > Fight-flight occurs most frequently in workplaces where responsibility keeps shifting back and forth between management and the group. We call this back-and-forth dynamic the “mixed mode,” as the structure of the workplace is a mixture of autocratic management direction and work group autonomy. It is common in organizations caught in transition between a bureaucratic and democratic structure.
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> http://www.peopleincharge.org/groupdynamics.htm
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> So can we move from fight-flight back to cooperation?fight-flight my a##. since when were you big on cooperation, dr. bob? why don't you just stick to the issues?
<Would a more democratic structure help?
if you would stop implying that the problem was me and started with this question, we might have actually gotten somewhere. i do not have the time to go through this with you again. i got a big lesson on how you operate the last go-around. i summed up for you in my thread what would help. i have nothing more to say. do not post to me anymore. i will do the same. work on fixing your site. or don't...
poster:alesta
thread:406546
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