Posted by OddipusRex on April 7, 2003, at 16:54:02
In reply to Re: Hoping you'll apologize » OddipusRex, posted by IsoM on April 7, 2003, at 15:38:28
> Please, Oddipus Rex, don't you see what I was trying to get at when I posted that quote from Goering? He was a monster - horrible beyond words,
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Iso didn't you just make a judgement about righteousness and evil?
I understand your quote. I was asking Bob why he linked to it in reference to my objections to another post. I am not being led blindly. I am not objecting to anyone's pacifism or questioning their patriotism.
I was using the quote as an example of false parallels being used to defame someone you don't agree with.(When I suggested that Neonazis also quote goehring as Bob did etc.)
Should I just sit by like a muddleheaded sheep and agree that there is a parallel between American soldiers and terrorists? That there is a parallel between murdering unarmed civilians and killing enemy soldiers in a war? Isn't that what you were warning about-not questioning what your told? So, I questioned. I objected and still do.
I've criticized the media too. And I'm not some blind idiot who believes everything he reads. Or why would I have objected?
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> I don't see one side as good & the other bad. I don't see one leader as evil & the other righteous. I see mistrust & hate & fear-mongering & confusion. I see pain & grief & horrors from all sides.
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True but sometimes hard decisions have to be made. Everything isn't black or white. There is no perfect solution. And even if you don't agree with the actions of the coalition it doesn't follow that they are morally equivalent to terrorists or the Saddam Hussein regime. Did you read the story about "Chemical Ali"? Do you really think he is no more evil than Tony Blair and should have been left alone? Being non-judgmental is very fashionable but people do have to make judgements every day. I don't think anyone underestimates the grief and suffering on all sides but that is different from pretending there is no difference between the two sides.>
Can't one just loathe all this without choosing sides?Of course, but not choosing is a choice too. And one can loathe it whatever choice he makes.
..............................It's a lousy example, but all I'm trying to say that killing & hate is not the right answer for the problems facing this world.
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I would agree. Hitler and Chemical Ali might not though. And if no one stops the people who believe it is the answer they will prevail. I respect true Pacifists but I don't think they have to resort to untrue comparisons to make their point. And I respect people who simply disagree with the way things are being done or the timing etc. There are arguments against it that don't rely on overgeneralizations false paralells and slurs.Iso My questions about the post were directed to Bob because he pasted a link to it. I don't think it was appropriate in that context. I found it patronizing and insulting as well as accusatory in that context. My post on Admin was not directed to you. I hadn't even read your post until Bob linked to it.
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