Posted by ayuda on March 25, 2003, at 12:10:32
In reply to Misrepresentation » Lou Pilder, posted by Jonathan on March 25, 2003, at 0:14:08
Thank you, Jonathan, for pointing that out, and for explaining (even to me!) what that exchange was all about!
By the way, I am a girl (woman, female -- whatever term anyone prefers for those of us humans with the XX chromosomes)!
While I do not think that everyone should just lie down and accept all authority and never think for oneself, I also respect rules and the rights of "management" to enforce them, especially if they are known to all parties beforehand. We could all choose to abandon this board if we don't like it, and that would be Dr. Bob's problem, not ours.
> Lou,
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> If you quote what others have posted, please do not edit their words in a way which substantially changes their meaning.
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> You claim that Ayuda wrote, in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030221/msgs/211952.html :
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> "...And yes, I believe that people who are incapable of understanding...have emotional problems...and can't see the simple answer is to just leave the site alone..."
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> Shall we look at what (s)he really wrote? (I'm very sorry, Ayuda — I tried but I cannot infer your gender from your recent posts!). I have enclosed in «guillemets» the sections which you (Lou) deleted:
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> "... I believe that people who are incapable of understanding «that they signed an agreement to use this site in a particular manner, and then who keep arguing with [Dr. Bob] about those parameters,» have emotional problems, «because» they can't see that the simple answer is to just leave the site alone."
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> I see nothing wrong in omitting words which aren't essential to the argument, as I have omitted "And yes," from the beginning of the sentence; nor in changing, as I have, "him" to "[Dr. Bob]" because our removal of the sentence from its original context makes it no longer obvious to whom "him" was meant to refer.
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> However, by deleting Ayuda's words "that they signed an agreement to use this site in a particular manner, and then who keep arguing with him about those parameters," you are not only transforming "understanding" from a transitive verb, the object of which is the noun phrase "that they signed an agreement to use this site in a particular manner", into an intransitive verb with the implicit meaning "understanding anything". You are also obscuring the fact that Ayuda is not talking about all who use the Admin Board, as you later imply with absolutely no justification, but only about those who, having agreed when they registered to observe Dr. Bob's rules, then use this board solely to argue persistently and specifically against those same rules with which they agreed to comply. I do not consider you to be such a person, nor do I believe that you think of yourself in that way.
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> I am sorry, Lou, that you feel "extremely hurt" by Ayuda's post, but I think that the cause of your hurt is not the words that Ayuda used but your own, perhaps inadvertent, misquotation of them. I think this explains Ayuda's justifiably bewildered response, in http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20030221/msgs/211992.html :
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> "... I don't even understand how you are interpreting what I've said. I am at a loss for understanding your confusion."
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> Your post concludes with the following words, which I find shockingly out of character for the civil and honourable gentleman I know you to be :)
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> "I feel extreamly hurt by your statement because I feel that you are ... incapeable of understanding and... have emotional problems..."
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> To ensure that no-one is misled by my deliberate misquotation of Lou's post, I wish to explain that I substituted an ellipsis (...) for the following words between "you are" and "incapable":
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> "jumping to a conclusion about people that use the administrative board to request address of what [they percieve to be injustices] when they are invited to do so by Dr. Bob and then you conclude that they are {..."
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> Please try to observe the Golden Rule, Lou — http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil :
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> "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." — Matt. 7:12.
> "What is hateful to you, do not to your fellow man. That is the law: all the rest is commentary." — Talmud, Shabbat 31a.
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> Please treat the words that others have posted with the same respect which you would like others to show for your words.
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> Respectfully,
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> Jonathan.
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> > ayuda,
> > You wrote,[...And yes, I believe that people who are incapable of understanding...have emotional problems...and can't see the simple answer is to just leave the site alone...].
> > I feel extreamly hurt by your statement because I feel that you are jumping to a conclusion about people that use the administrative board to request address of what [they percieve to be injustices] when they are invited to do so by Dr. Bob and then you conclude that they are {...incapeable of understanding and... have emotional problems...].
> > Lou
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