Posted by Jay2112 on February 16, 2022, at 21:38:11
In reply to Re: Can Antipsych's cause huge panic attacks?, posted by Christ_empowered on February 13, 2022, at 8:17:23
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> I think individual response is part of the issue, too. some people do well with older tranquilizers at reasonable doses. I read a person's account of being hospitalized in the 60s...because of intense stress and traumatic life experiences, low dose Thorazine here and there was something of a relief. I imagine the rather bleak setting contributed to that, too...sort of a cycle, it seems.
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> at the biological level, it seems that drugs that carry a lower akathisia and EPS liability early on would probably (?) be less of a problem with anxiety, panic, neuroleptic induced deficits and neuroleptic induced dysphoria...
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> but again: each individual is unique, not only at the biological level, but also in terms of psychosocial factors that drive overall response to any psych drug (and...life itself, lol).
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> I vaguely recall skimming over some of the 50s material on Tofranil. Rather noxious drug, Tofranil, but...
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> I seem to recall the authors going into factors -- age, gender, social class, education, length of hospitalization, etc. -- that seemed to either contribute to "successful treatment" or...made other treatments more appropriate.
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> even now, I think -some- clinicians have gathered their own body of "clinical wisdom" for different drugs. a former prescriber told me about the patients she tries on amoxapine -- mostly middle aged or older, severe mood and anxiety problems, light on the psychosis -- and that may or may not be supported by the official data, but...
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> yeah. yeah. a lot goes into all of this, lol.
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> maybe rexulti? it seems to have the lower overall EPS rates one finds in studies of aripriprazole, plus it seems to cause less akathisia. I think its also far less likely to elevate prolactin, but I could be mistaken.
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> just...random question...do you find any supplements helpful? I do a DIY Orthomolecular protocol (my anxiety and general levels of unease and distress are vastly improved, btw), but I was skimming over some "alternative" medicine material and...
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> it really does seem that most available antioxidants -- even vitamin C, at sufficient doses -- can mitigate a lot of adverse effects from neuroleptics. Oddly enough, I did skim over an animal study that found that coenzyme Q10 did very, very little to prevent TD in animals or reduce the movements once they had developed. strange...
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> hope this helps. :-)Hi...sorry for taking a bit to get back. I still really want to leave the AP's for emergency use...for now. But, I have been constantly on the lookout for supplements that seem to work. Herb's seem to be the best, for me. I am using Macca for my post-Vyvanse fatigue, and am looking for a herbal solution for general pain. (I get bad migraines and sore body in general. I am trying to lose weight, but it's tough at 52.) Butterbur seems like a nice herbal alternative to NSAID's for pain. I like herbal medicine and strongly believe in it...at least the researched stuff. I am part Indigenous, and that is how our peoples survived since...as far back we can't even know.
As far as meds....rexulti caused me even more anxiety than abilify. I may give a small dose of abilify a shot again if I run into problems....but knock on wood, I am doing fine.
Cheers!
JayHumans punish themselves endlessly
for not being what they believe they should be.
-Don Miguel Ruiz-
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