Posted by linkadge on September 2, 2016, at 11:11:36
In reply to Re: vaccinations and autism, posted by baseball55 on September 1, 2016, at 19:58:03
>I will add one more thought. It's a little rich >that the same people who object to Lou's posts >and expend time and energy online looking for and >talking about drugs to treat psychiatric >conditions are so quick to pull facts out of thin >air to "prove" that vaccines - probably the >pharmaceutical industries one unmitigated success >story - are a big conspiracy to make children ill.
I hope that is not referring to myself.
First off, I rarely respond to Lou (aside from my one liner responses).
Second, medications (and vaccines) have side effects and benefits. I never said that they didn't. I simply was arguing against the notion that 'vaccines don't cause autism' is 'case closed' as some would have you believe.
Third, if you haven't yet realized, very few issues in 'true science' are ever 'case closed'. In fact, when a group of scientists suggest that it is 'case closed', I get a little concerned.
Fourth, you are lumping me into a group in which I don't belong. When did I prove (or suggest to prove) that vaccines 'cause autism'? I simply said that the issue may not be as cut and dry (case closed) as some would like you to believe.
Fifth, there are no 'unmitigated success stories'. Did you know that individuals can have severe idiosyncratic reactions to the vaccines? Vaccines can cause paralysis as well as seizures (in a very small number of those who are vaccinated). There is a host of pubmed.com related coverage of this, if you are interested in reading further...
"The temporal association between the isolation of these strains and the GBS, TM and FP suggested that the Sabin vaccine-derived poliovirus strains could also rarely trigger the diseases."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9292105
Sixth, vaccines makers are protected against lawsuits by US law, but there is also compensation available for those who do have proven cases of adverse reactions to the vaccine. As mentioned above, seizures can occur and are listed as possible (rare) side effects of vaccines. One mechanism could be evevation of pro-inflammatory substances like IL-6, which are also known to be proconvulsant. So, your notion of 'unmitigated' is not true. There are a small group of individuals who (had we known in hindsight) should not have been vaccinated. However, I don't assert that there *is* a conspiracy, although I am also not ruling out the possibility.
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