Posted by hello123 on June 28, 2015, at 0:37:20
In reply to Rick Perry talks of link between Psych Meds and..., posted by hello123 on June 27, 2015, at 3:05:05
and to give Rick Perry some credit, Homicidal Ideation was officially listed as a "rare side effect" of Effexor in 2006.
http://www.semissourian.com/story/1159621.html
though many are likely unaware of this, since many sites that lists side effects for Effexor that ive looked dont mention this adverse effect.
not listed here
http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-4896/effexor-xr-oral/details/list-sideeffects
or are they referring to it in a seemingly harmless way when they list "Mood Changes"? and simply dknt want to be too direct about it for whatever reason?not listed here, unless you count "hostility", which is typically viewed as much less harmless than Homicidal Ideation.
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main/mobileart-emh.asp?articlekey=102787&page=3
and its not even listed on Wikipedias seemingly comprehensive page dedicated to Effexors side effects. not even in the "Very Rare" section,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adverse_effects_of_venlafaxinenow, i could only find the number of prescriptions for effexor filled in 2007, which were 17.2 million.
if everyone who took it, had it filled all 12 months of 2007, that means about 1,433,333 different people took it that year. if 0.1% of them developed homicidal ideation, then that would be 143 different people. in that year. though, of course theres no word on how many homicides happened that year by people taking Effexor.
we also know that that, especially when it comes to CNS side, effects, SNRI's are basically interchangeable among a large amount of people taking them. one might do very well on Cymbalta with no agitation, but develop it in full force on Effexor. while another might do great on Effexor, but develop agitation on Cymbalta. then theres the metabolite of Effexor, sold by the name Pristiq, Khedezla (Pristiq XR). Fetzima, and Savella.not even mentioning Tricyclics that act as SNRI' along with other effects, that are still prescribed but less frequently. MAOI's that increase Serotonin and Norepinepbrine, but through a different mechanism, but are of course prescribed even less often than Tricyclics.
you can take all these Serotonin and Norepinephrine increasing meds into account that might rarely cause homicidal thoughts. and, while i dont feel like doikg the numbers, that is likely at least 400 users each year homicidal thoughts induced by these meds. if 10% act on these thoughts... well, you know...
then of course there are other brain function altering meds that should at least be cause for concern, such as SSRI's, Stimulants, Depressants, etc... but you can ignore these if you like.
and the numbers i listed are assuming that the number of 0.1% of those who take SN incteasing meds develop homicidal thoughts is correct.
and the posdibility of homicidal thoughts should be right next to the black box warning for suicidal thoughts. ad one must consider if someone has thoughts of endimg their own life thanks to disrupted brain chemistry theyre less likeyly to havre concer for the lives of others. note how many mass shootings are done by someone on a ptescribed mood altering chemical who takes their own life in the end.to me its obvious, and should be in no way controversial to anyome, that a chemical that alters brain function so profoundly, can cause homicidal thoights. really, considering how incrediy complex our brains are, anything should be expected. taking a prescription brain chemistry altering chemical is not much different than an experienced surgeon doindg a routine surgery while blindfolded. something is more likely to be labeled "crazy thought" if it has to do with harsh criticism of a very powerful corporation, or government.
but anyways, lets continue to view Drug Companies and the FDA the same way a 5 year old views a guy in a windowless van giving out free candy, while running up to him with a big smile.
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